Revenge mode in 1v1 : what's the problem ? | Forums

[Zerlias]

I read many people saying that the revenge mode shouldn't be triggered in duels. I see many duels where people just trigger it when available and what for it to pass, feeling "honorable" etc. Why is that ?

I mean, in every fighting games since Fatal Fury 2, we have some kind of comeback mechanics. In Street Fighter, when your Super/EX/Whatever bar is filled (which is usually late in the round) you gain access to very powerful move. This is exactly what the revenge mode is. This is not some kind of "i win" button, against a skilled player you still need use it well to benefit from it. Also, gears are not taken in account in duels.

So, anybody can explain me the real issue with the revenge mode in this situation ?

[Munktor]

I read many people saying that the revenge mode shouldn't be triggered in duels. I see many duels where people just trigger it when available and what for it to pass, feeling "honorable" etc. Why is that ?

I mean, in every fighting games since Fatal Fury 2, we have some kind of comeback mechanics. In Street Fighter, when your Super/EX/Whatever bar is filled (which is usually late in the round) you gain access to very powerful move. This is exactly what the revenge mode is. This is not some kind of "i win" button, against a skilled player you still need use it well to benefit from it. Also, gears are not taken in account in duels.

So, anybody can explain me the real issue with the revenge mode in this situation ?

There's no real issue, just babies on a forum crying as usual.

[Peligrad]

I wish there was a thumbs down button or better yet a "you're a moron" button for these two...

[BLooMeaT]

1v1 is not only about duel mod.
For honor is defence based game allready. You can be easily punished for just attacking your enemy. And revenge is really powerfull and just make game less agressive.

[Juuzaam]

I read many people saying that the revenge mode shouldn't be triggered in duels. I see many duels where people just trigger it when available and what for it to pass, feeling
So, anybody can explain me the real issue with the revenge mode in this situation ?

Your revengemeter fills for: cgbs, dodged attacks, blocks, parries & loosing health. In revenge you get inf stamina, hyperarmor for every attack, an attack boost, a shield and a knockdown when you triggered it during opp attacks, as a small bonus, some attacks get an additional knockdown.
Which means the most def. player gets it first and sometimes even the weaker one.
Doesnt it sound already strange that the player that doesnt commited to anything gets these tools for what, for free!?
The worst case is a weaker player getting it during a chain and triggers it to knockdown the opp and kills him imediatly, or maybe just with a followed knockdown attack.
In a regular case you can try to run or block, but it doesnt always work.

Imo, most people complaining about revenge are complaining about revenge gear in the 4v4 modes, where you can get it in like 15s...in a 1v1 situation.

[Munktor]

I wish there was a thumbs down button or better yet a "you're a moron" button for these two...

Why? Both players have equal chance to accrue revenge within a 1v1 duel. It's only an issue in the 4v4 modes with revenge gain gear.

[Zerlias]

Your revengemeter fills for: cgbs, dodged attacks, blocks, parries & loosing health. In revenge you get inf stamina, hyperarmor for every attack, an attack boost, a shield and a knockdown when you triggered it during opp attacks, as a small bonus, some attacks get an additional knockdown.
Which means the most def. player gets it first and sometimes even the weaker one.
Doesnt it sound already strange that the player that doesnt commited to anything gets these tools for what, for free!?
The worst case is a weaker player getting it during a chain and triggers it to knockdown the opp and kills him imediatly, or maybe just with a followed knockdown attack.
In a regular case you can try to run or block, but it doesnt always work.

Imo, most people complaining about revenge are complaining about revenge gear in the 4v4 modes, where you can get it in like 15s...in a 1v1 situation.

I agree with you that defensive players would benefit more from it. It reminds me of how the "Ultra" bar fills in Street Fighter 4, and i didn't like it much.

I think this could be compensated by rewarding attackers with the same kind of advantage. You revenge bar could grow when you attack (more on hit than on block) your opponent, or when you successfully guard break him. But i guess it wouldn't be called "revenge" anymore...

Anyway, when a weaker player gets revenge ready, his opponent must also be aware of this and avoid exposing himself to a free knockdown. And then again it leads to a less aggressive gameplay, which is not what we want.

[Munktor]

Anyway, when a weaker player gets revenge ready, his opponent must also be aware of this and avoid exposing himself to a free knockdown. And then again it leads to a less aggressive gameplay, which is not what we want.

I feel like a lot of the mechanics are viewed differently depending on your skill level.

When I see someone gets revenge, i'm not "worried" they're going to use it on me. I simply show them a heavy attack and then feint it. 90% of the time the enemy pops their revenge to get the free knockdown. In that moment, I grab them and push them away.

Then it's a matter of just back pedaling and blocking for a bit until their revenge wears out. If I really feel like being a jerk, i'll just keep guard-breaking and pushing them around during their revenge.

Now good players will set me up hard, and look to use revenge more offensively by getting me into a position where i'm low on stamina before popping revenge. Then revenge can be used to knock your opponent down with a guard break or shove/bash (depending on your hero of choice). That's where it's really most effective imo.

Then again, all of that occurs in a 1v1 that went on too long because one player was too cautious or didn't know how to break open defenses and kept swinging into it.

The game has a great deal of counters, tricks, offensive/defensive measures that I don't think people always view 100%. Instead they want to stick with their 1 "go-to" strategy, and when something stops that they get bent and say it's "broken". Instead of looking into "what could I do differently?".

[Peligrad]

Why? Both players have equal chance to accrue revenge within a 1v1 duel. It's only an issue in the 4v4 modes with revenge gain gear.

Incorrect.

Revenge building is not equal for all characters. Gear stats and feats further add to the disparity in the modes where those are active.

Revenge generation build assassins that have the "Revenge Attacks" feat can consistently get revenge in 1v1s without any additional effort.

Those characters are known for their ability to spam revenge after revenge after revenge in team fights giving them substantially higher effective HP values than other characters.

[Munktor]

Incorrect.

Revenge building is not equal for all characters. Gear stats and feats further add to the disparity in the modes where those are active.

Revenge generation build assassins that have the "Revenge Attacks" feat can consistently get revenge in 1v1s without any additional effort.

Those characters are known for their ability to spam revenge after revenge after revenge in team fights giving them substantially higher effective HP values than other characters.

From the guy that wants to call people "morons" you seem to have missed this discussion was regarding 1v1 duels.

You do know that gear isn't part of duels right? Moron.