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[chuckmandude]

It doesnt instantly kill you unless he's at critical. and if he is then throw a heavy and itll kill. or guard break and heavy and itll kill or play warden or peacekeeper or orcohi and get your guaranteed second hit.

Heavies are easily parried. If he's waiting to react to me, he can see a light attack coming and counter with a guaranteed 1hko. Same with guardbreak. I suppose with a heavy it's not guaranteed, but if his reaction is good he gets an easy parry and massive damage.

Honestly, just nerf the passive so that it doesn't apply when you're critically wounded, and nerf the 1hko so that it does increased damage as your health gets lower to a maximum of like 50% of the enemy's health. The 1hko is ******ed, especially in matches with multiple players. You're full health, fighting someone, then all of a sudden from behind you you get 1hko'd by a Shugoki you had no way of know was there.

[chuckmandude]

Ehh semantics, you know what I mean If we want to be precise then it's called "Passive Uninterruptible Stance"



That's why you must first remove Shugs armor with light attack or GB. Only begginer Shug or one that screwed up uses demons embrace without first setting up enemy by bashing him against the wall. There are some other instances when Shug can try to pull off the hug but all of them are helluva risky.

Seriously dude, go play some duels with Shugoki and try to use demons embrace. If you're not playing against utter begginer then you will fail way more than you will succeed.

But how do I remove the armor first? lol. That's what I'm saying. If I attack to remove the armor, he uses the hug, my attack gets ignored and he gets a guaranteed 1hko....

[Ser_Idiealot]

But how do I remove the armor first? lol. That's what I'm saying. If I attack to remove the armor, he uses the hug, my attack gets ignored and he gets a guaranteed 1hko....

:sigh: I don't know where do you meet all those legendary Shugs that can hug you JUST as you light attack them. In my experience most heroes can hit me once with light attack and then dodge. Assasins can easily put in 2 hits and the dodge to the side.

GB, seriously? You walk up to the Shug...he don't attack (beacause as you said he's waiting for you) and as soon as you try to GB him he pull of a hug on you? ********e. It would be borderline timing miracle if he managed that. If there are Shugoki who can do that then they deserve that hug.

As for 1hko I agree it shouldn't work like that. Demons Embrace should deal heavy damage because it is high risk, high reward kind of move but not instantly kill someone. I don't agree on the passive armor though, Shugoki need it "as it is" because we are way too slow, especially when dealing with assasin classes or warden.

[chuckmandude]

Shugoki is hardly competent in a serious 1vs1 duel with with a competent opponent. no matter the class. I'm not talking about who's better than who, which seem to be the kids' problem in this forum. Speaking of kids, I thought a game that has visual beheading is unfit for children.
All of his moves are blockable and parryable, except Demon's Embrace but it can be dodged easily and the move itself already punishes the Shugoki plus the opponent gets a big window of opportunity to land hits. The Headbutt needs a light or heavy to land first, which can be blocked and parried by people who can read, are too busy to whine and b*tch. Put some of your heart and mind in the game, instead of rubber bands.

Oh get the **** off your high horse.

Just had a match against Shugoki. I was at 90% health, he had a bar and a half left. His armor was down, I went for a heavy attack, he went for his hug. At that exact moment his armor popped, my heavy didn't kill him nor stagger him, I couldn't dodge his hug because I was stuck in animation, and he got an instant win. How the hell do you "outplay" that?

You don't. It's broken as hell.

And no one has yet to acknowledge that it's even more broken in 2v2s and 4v4s, where you can one-shot someone who's engaged with someone else, and unless they are omniscient, there's nothing they can do about it.

[Zakmuffin]

Isn't the headbutt a guaranteed hit? You light through someone's attack then knock them off a cliff instantly? No. That would be very ridiculous considering how his stance is currently working.

[SwiftDovah]

Listen if youre that bad at blocking after being headbutted(or in general as thats the vibe i get off you) go play story on realistic. It'll help.

[Zakmuffin]

Yes it's a sure hit. Provided u must first make a successful hit with either light or heavy. I dont need to say parry or block them. Only an imbecile refuses to use a given tool and cry about it

Wut? The issue of the OP is headbutting off a cliff with it's knockback effect. If you can't score an attack as a shugoki I don't know what to tell you. Here's a protip: Trade attacks and follow up with headbutt. Headbutt is good enough as it is.

[Rahnzan]

His passive needs to be nerfed hard
His ohko needs to be nerfed hard

1) What would we replace it with? How would he ever get a swing out?

2) Just dodge dude. That's it. He's a slow character with a last ditch move that puts him at 1 HP and no armor if he misses. How hard is it to stop and think for a moment "oh, hey, what's the one move every Goki depends on when their health is this low? I should probably prepare for that."

[SwiftDovah]

1) What would we replace it with? How would he ever get a swing out?

2) Just dodge dude. That's it. He's a slow character with a last ditch move that puts him at 1 HP and no armor if he misses. How hard is it to stop and think for a moment "oh, hey, what's the one move every Goki depends on when their health is this low? I should probably prepare for that."

Hey Look! An intelligent For Honor player! How rare.

[Zakmuffin]

So what's your issue? I see no more trouble with Shugoki as he is. Landing a headbutt is not as easy as it looks. But that's part of the challenge. OP has a problem with headbutt, not me. dont confuse me with OP. Thanks. Or u just use quote without thought?

You're literally quoting me, AGAIN, and asking what my problem is? I even refer to the OP as a THRID PERSON when directly replying to your quote, so no, I didn't mistake you for OP...You have a problem with reading comprehension or are you just slow or what? You know what? Forget it.