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[Special4ces Dom]

FU--------!!!!!!!
How did I screw up that first sentence so badly!!!!???

I meant that I have to try harder as any other character than if I were using these top tier characters.

Also I updated my reply to you to regard your other points.

[Karma_Ghost]

So, not to be a jerk, but please list any class that has "multiple bleeds", the only 2 classes I can think of (of the top of my head) are Valk and Nob, and for the record, Valk's can be an utter bish to get off, espically if you are facing an Orochi.

Peacekeeper: guardbreak stab x3, heavy followup stab, heavy to light cancel stab, deflect stab.
Nobushi: sprinting light, light combo, retreating light, hidden stance light, kick followup light.

[ArchDukeInstinct]

Trust me, at high level WL and conq are extremely hard to beat as they just turtle all game and all they do is their safe maneuvers that I listed above.

Wow it's hard to beat another player at high levels of play? I can't believe it.

"Turtle", actually just playing to their classes strength which is great defense.

I guess conq is fine too with his nonpunishable shield charge

Plenty of times people have been able to dodge to the side against me and get a hit in.

[Synsif]

There's something wrong when it seems people are landing kills twice as easy when they are using Peacekeeper, Warden and Valkyrie..
Hell I may even add Nobushi to that list.

Their normal attacks alone are enough to screw any opponent over if they are even just a split-second late on the reaction...

But that's not enough. No.
We have to give them multiple bleed moves, an endless vortex of 50/50 shoulder charge guesses, unblockable parry attacks with guaranteed damage, heavy attacks that land on guard break or knockdown and instant-attacks that you have no hope of blocking unless you knew it was coming.

This just saps the fun out of the game.
Much respect to those who still enjoy the game and much understanding to those who already quit.

Dude, I do not envy the day you get into high level play. Valkyrie and Nobushi are not top tier. Sure, players that are extremely good with them will crush you, but that's just how it is. PK is only OP in the sense that her zone is way too fast. Her lights can be blocked if you have practice, but she is top tier. Replace Valk and Nobushi with Warlord and Conq and you're right where you need to be.

[Special4ces Dom]

Dude, I do not envy the day you get into high level play. Valkyrie and Nobushi are not top tier. Sure, players that are extremely good with them will crush you, but that's just how it is. PK is only OP in the sense that her zone is way too fast. Her lights can be blocked if you have practice, but she is top tier. Replace Valk and Nobushi with Warlord and Conq and you're right where you need to be.

Let's not act like Valk and Nobushi aren't High tier characters here. If not TOP then the very next tier down. Though Nobushi is widely considered top by just about every latest Tier list I consult. Valk varies between Top and High tier after her recent buff.

[Traktorash]

Let's not act like Valk and Nobushi aren't High tier characters here. If not TOP then the very next tier down. Though Nobushi is widely considered top by just about every latest Tier list I consult. Valk varies between Top and High tier after her recent buff.

I'd put nobushi under valk and i don't consider valk top tier. She's anoying sure but keep in mind her neither her Shield Bash or Sweep deal damage wich gives her alot of stamina problems. Her chains are flashy but over all deal little damage and she can't keep going like say the warden or warlord can with their unblockable spam.

Nobushi's are kinda just worse PK's (who arn't top tier either). 100% of the PK's strenghts are her fast attacks. However you can prevent the zone by just keeping your guard on the Right. It's the LLHFeint Mixup that is DEADLY on the pk, to the point where a few classes can't even switch guard fast enough to even Block them, nwm parry, but hopefully this will be nerfed soon (i main PK btw). However PKs REALY don't have tools to open up defensive oponents, you can punish agresive oponents like no other but you don't have to be a bloody Conq to shut down a PK's agresion, again, just keep guard right and be ready to react to the Light attack chain (DON'T TRY TO PARRY IT, JUST TRY TO BLOCK, IT STOPS THE COMBO). The Nobushi, sure has longer range wich makes parry's safer but you're Lights arn't nearly as quick as the PK's and your evasion / counter game isn't as strong either imo.

Tho let's be real here. Warlord can turtle / spam headbutt, and 1 parry = dead sometimes. Conq can turtle / Spam shield bash. Valk has 3 unblockables at her disposal and god save you if valks starts chaining of a Shoulder Pin. Nobuhsi has her keepaway / bleed game. PK ... "is OP" (not sure why the pk is strong but maybe it's because i main her and know how to handle her. And i beat most of the PK'S i fight... gues mine is more OP). Warlord has the shoulder bash mixup (wich you can stop with either a roll backwards OR _A LIGHT ATTACK_. Light interupt both the bash and the guardbreak btw)....... Shugoki has the bear hug.... Hell even Lawbringer can spam Long Arm and just toss your salad around while 3 other people wail on you... _EVERYONE_ is OP if you arn't intimately familiar with their moveset. And i mean beyond the basica, where will an attack come from, how fast are their animation, what can they soft feint, what can they hard feint, what are the feint followups, what can i parry, what do i have to dodge, how do i stop X chain etc. for all 12 classes

[PackingMoney]

Nobushi and Valk are no where near top tier. Nobushi is just a noob killer, she is pretty much useless when you get to higher level fights, same goes for Valk but she is a little better if you change up her mixups into the sweep.

[Traktorash]

Nobushi and Valk are no where near top tier. Nobushi is just a noob killer, she is pretty much useless when you get to higher level fights, same goes for Valk but she is a little better if you change up her mixups into the sweep.

Or just NOT sweep after the shoulder bash and guardbreak (the now desperately dodging noblet) instead

[MeArney]

There's something wrong when it seems people are landing kills twice as easy when they are using Peacekeeper, Warden and Valkyrie..
Hell I may even add Nobushi to that list.

Their normal attacks alone are enough to screw any opponent over if they are even just a split-second late on the reaction...

But that's not enough. No.
We have to give them multiple bleed moves, an endless vortex of 50/50 shoulder charge guesses, unblockable parry attacks with guaranteed damage, heavy attacks that land on guard break or knockdown and instant-attacks that you have no hope of blocking unless you knew it was coming.

This just saps the fun out of the game.
Much respect to those who still enjoy the game and much understanding to those who already quit.

Might as even add everything apart from Kensei, Lawbringer and Raider to that list. The mechanics in this game punish those who do not know how to counter and the quicker the hero, the better (apart from Conq. and WL, they spam as well). The whole Feedback& Suggestions forum sounds like a Overwatch game full of D´vas. "Nurf this", "Nurf that"...

Everything is OP and everyone who plays better than you is cheating. Get a grip man! Look at the advanced tutorial for heroes and learn to counter their special moves.
Here´s a list to help you out:

Warden:
-Wortex, dodge and punish
-Zone, always keep your guard to the left.

Conq:
-Shieldbash, dodge and punish then gb
- keep away from corners/walls

PK:
-the lightspam is hard to counter
-she can cover a lot of area, but is predictable. Defend and watch out for the top attack when she jumps in
-learn to counter gb

WL:
-Lots of gb and keep your distance
-headbuttspam + stab (I do not know how to counter this effectively, so I leave it to someone else)

Berzerker:
-feint a lot
-keep your distance
-light to heavy in chains (parry) or if you block two hits in a row, the chain breaks

Valkyrie:
-always two of something, then sweep.
-Her stanceis broken, you may get a free heavy in from either right or left side then and then.
-the recoverytime is still bad from a missed lunge/sweep, use it you even get a free gb (broken as well)

Shugoki:
-Lots of lightattacks and dodges
-learn to Counterguardbrake and parry (he uses a lot of stamina and is dependable on guardbrakes)
-watch out for the demons embrace when low on health

Orochi: (not even close to a A-tier hero)
-most attacks always from top.
-extremely dependable on guardbrakes, learn to counter
-feint so you can get the easy parries from the sidesteps

Nobushi:
-the more you bleed, the harder she hits
-watch out for the kick, always comes after heavy
-if she goes in hidden stance, back away (remember her range!)

Hope this helps!
Now stop screaming for nerfs... if something is needed it´s buffs for the ****list heroes and as far as I consider the matchmaking is still the biggest enemy in this game. Focus on that, then the balancing can begin.

[PackingMoney]

Or just NOT sweep after the shoulder bash and guardbreak (the now desperately dodging noblet) instead

That is possible, though sometimes it isn't possible and not too sure if it is free. It would be BS if it was free after the bash.