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[SyX_VulgarAjko]

Dear developers,

first time I choose Hero which have several bugs and limit my gameplay so I tryed another Hero - Valkyrie. After lots fo matches I have questions on you because I do not understand some game mechanism:

1) Why after parry an enemy attack my Valkyrie can not hit enemy with GB? She miss it so enemy have free hit/GB. I never met this problem with Conqueror, Shugoki, Orochi and from fights looks like only Valkyrie have this "problem"! The question is, WHY? If it is not a game mechanism, I really want to know Why?

2) I like Spear Sweep. I understand that enemy need to dodge it. But why Conqueror (looks like only this char) not need to dodge it but only move back will avoid this attack! Try it! Conqueror not need to use dodge, only simple move back (maybe not only Conqueror but while fighting my friend he only moving back while I triggering Spear Sweep). Why?

3) Why blocked attacks like Pouncing Thrust or Hunter's Strike results in free GB? Recovery time is so long that skilled enemy can easy block it and have free GB. Because of this are this two moves very risky. I tryed to GB same Peacekeeper ability but looks like that Peacekeeper can use CGB. Why?

4) Why she has so low damage? For example: After 3 Nobishi light attack hits I have only 1/2 health left. After my Valkyrie 3 light attacks hit Nobushi, she have 3/4 health left. Why?

5) What is a point of Warden shoulder "charge" hit? How to avoid it? Side dodge not work because you will get GB (which can not be countered while dodging). If is Warden close, your back dodge will not work too because he hit you sooner. After all Wardens shoulder hit, he have free attack. So my question is, how to avoid this attack when dodging not work?

6) Conqueror shoulder "charge" hit is almost same like point 5. I am glad that I can dodge it (Conqueror can not switch to GB), but when he hit you with it, he can repete it: Charge -> hit -> charge -> hit -> charge -> hit ... after he replenish stamina, he fall back and repeat! While you get hit by shoulder charge, you can not side dodge, you can not block incoming attack, sometimes you can use back dodge BUT ... Conqueror do "some weird" long reach heavy attack so it will hit you even after dodging away! If this is a valid game mechanism, I would like to know how to avoid this attacks.

I hope that one of developer will find a time to reply. After first dissapointment with first Hero, this is totally depresing.

Thank you.

This men got a point. Totaly Hope someone test her cause patch have no ETA so #PrayForValk

[SyX_VulgarAjko]

Dear developers,

first time I choose Hero which have several bugs and limit my gameplay so I tryed another Hero - Valkyrie. After lots fo matches I have questions on you because I do not understand some game mechanism:

1) Why after parry an enemy attack my Valkyrie can not hit enemy with GB? She miss it so enemy have free hit/GB. I never met this problem with Conqueror, Shugoki, Orochi and from fights looks like only Valkyrie have this "problem"! The question is, WHY? If it is not a game mechanism, I really want to know Why?

2) I like Spear Sweep. I understand that enemy need to dodge it. But why Conqueror (looks like only this char) not need to dodge it but only move back will avoid this attack! Try it! Conqueror not need to use dodge, only simple move back (maybe not only Conqueror but while fighting my friend he only moving back while I triggering Spear Sweep). Why?

3) Why blocked attacks like Pouncing Thrust or Hunter's Strike results in free GB? Recovery time is so long that skilled enemy can easy block it and have free GB. Because of this are this two moves very risky. I tryed to GB same Peacekeeper ability but looks like that Peacekeeper can use CGB. Why?

4) Why she has so low damage? For example: After 3 Nobishi light attack hits I have only 1/2 health left. After my Valkyrie 3 light attacks hit Nobushi, she have 3/4 health left. Why?

5) What is a point of Warden shoulder "charge" hit? How to avoid it? Side dodge not work because you will get GB (which can not be countered while dodging). If is Warden close, your back dodge will not work too because he hit you sooner. After all Wardens shoulder hit, he have free attack. So my question is, how to avoid this attack when dodging not work?

6) Conqueror shoulder "charge" hit is almost same like point 5. I am glad that I can dodge it (Conqueror can not switch to GB), but when he hit you with it, he can repete it: Charge -> hit -> charge -> hit -> charge -> hit ... after he replenish stamina, he fall back and repeat! While you get hit by shoulder charge, you can not side dodge, you can not block incoming attack, sometimes you can use back dodge BUT ... Conqueror do "some weird" long reach heavy attack so it will hit you even after dodging away! If this is a valid game mechanism, I would like to know how to avoid this attacks.

I hope that one of developer will find a time to reply. After first dissapointment with first Hero, this is totally depresing.

Thank you.

This men got a point. Totaly Hope someone test her cause patch have no ETA so #PrayForValk

[SyX_VulgarAjko]

Dear developers,

first time I choose Hero which have several bugs and limit my gameplay so I tryed another Hero - Valkyrie. After lots fo matches I have questions on you because I do not understand some game mechanism:

1) Why after parry an enemy attack my Valkyrie can not hit enemy with GB? She miss it so enemy have free hit/GB. I never met this problem with Conqueror, Shugoki, Orochi and from fights looks like only Valkyrie have this "problem"! The question is, WHY? If it is not a game mechanism, I really want to know Why?

2) I like Spear Sweep. I understand that enemy need to dodge it. But why Conqueror (looks like only this char) not need to dodge it but only move back will avoid this attack! Try it! Conqueror not need to use dodge, only simple move back (maybe not only Conqueror but while fighting my friend he only moving back while I triggering Spear Sweep). Why?

3) Why blocked attacks like Pouncing Thrust or Hunter's Strike results in free GB? Recovery time is so long that skilled enemy can easy block it and have free GB. Because of this are this two moves very risky. I tryed to GB same Peacekeeper ability but looks like that Peacekeeper can use CGB. Why?

4) Why she has so low damage? For example: After 3 Nobishi light attack hits I have only 1/2 health left. After my Valkyrie 3 light attacks hit Nobushi, she have 3/4 health left. Why?

5) What is a point of Warden shoulder "charge" hit? How to avoid it? Side dodge not work because you will get GB (which can not be countered while dodging). If is Warden close, your back dodge will not work too because he hit you sooner. After all Wardens shoulder hit, he have free attack. So my question is, how to avoid this attack when dodging not work?

6) Conqueror shoulder "charge" hit is almost same like point 5. I am glad that I can dodge it (Conqueror can not switch to GB), but when he hit you with it, he can repete it: Charge -> hit -> charge -> hit -> charge -> hit ... after he replenish stamina, he fall back and repeat! While you get hit by shoulder charge, you can not side dodge, you can not block incoming attack, sometimes you can use back dodge BUT ... Conqueror do "some weird" long reach heavy attack so it will hit you even after dodging away! If this is a valid game mechanism, I would like to know how to avoid this attacks.

I hope that one of developer will find a time to reply. After first dissapointment with first Hero, this is totally depresing.

Thank you.

This men got a point. Totaly Hope someone test her cause patch have no ETA so #PrayForValk

[FAT_GUTS]

To DukeInstinct:

I ask you to type which class can not GB after successful parry. I see you just talk a trash because you not answer. Forgot heavy attacks or any other moves. This point IS ONLY ABOUT GB after parry. If you not know how to perform it or doing anything else instead, just do not comment it.

Only what you need to avoid Spear Sweep is have downed S key and you are out of range. Do you think is it correct game mechanism? I would like to ask a devs because this looks weird to me.

It is like talking to a wall. This point IS ABOUT REVOCERY TIME after Pouncing Thrust or Hunter's Strike. It is not about how good an enemy is or how and when to land. Do you understand? If enemy block (just simple block this two attacks) he have FREE GB. Free unblockable GB. Type me which another special moves from different heroes leads to FREE GB after you just simple block them! Tell me! If you not know ...please do not talk trash.

I understand that Vakyrie and Nobushi have different damage because of different move sets. I agree with all.

I see you not know what is uncounterable GB! Because I explain it before, please try to find it. If you will look into this forums more deeply, you will find differents posts about this. You can look on YouTube where very good players use this move. Again... YOU CAN NOT COUNTER IT! ...

Like point before. Look into For Honor forum. After Shield bash you are STUNNED for a while! You CAN NOT BLOCK, PARRY, GB or any other moves. You totaly not have a knowledge of game mechanism! When you get Shield Bash your guard icons not show up before you get heavy hit! Only some characters can "passive block it" if you as Conqueror not do it well.

... BTW why you think that "tournament level players" not use Conqueror?! ...

This is my last to your comments becouse you talk trash! You lack of knowledge about game mechanism. If someone type that one move is weird, you reply trash like use different move. It is not a solution. If you not have anythink to my points, please do not reply! I know I can use moves in better time / in reaction of enemy. But this is not about game combat. This is about exact points of one Hero - Valkyrie.

[Rahnzan]

1) You're using a damn spear. Try not being 12 dozen yards away when your parry goes off. If the developers specifically shut that down, then there's probably a serious problem involving the rest of your skill-set that they wanted to prevent.
2) He stepped out of range fool. That's the simplest form of defense. "Don't be where the attack is."
3) That entirely depends on who you're fighting but a lot of characters get a free GB after certain drawn out attacks. You stated your own solution, counter-guard-break and deal with it.
4) Because she's got a SPEAR. Your damage is fast, repetitive, rapidly changes directions, comes from a mile away and she's equipped with more options to drain stamina than a Lawbringer. What more do you want?
5) He can either cancel into guard break, or just let the shoulder charge hit. The guard break tracks a little bit so if you dodge too early he's going to have time to cancel and stick you. You can't CGB because you're busy dodging, so roll backwards, problem solved. When I play a Warden my biggest problem is dealing with rapid attacks, which your character is extremely well suited for. Avoid Top-Attacks and spam like a violent Monty Python skit gone horribly wrong. Or...ORR.. you can just HIT him. If he cancels, it's going to ruin his day.
6) They're nerfing that nonsense.

[Traktorash]

Dear developers,

first time I choose Hero which have several bugs and limit my gameplay so I tryed another Hero - Valkyrie. After lots fo matches I have questions on you because I do not understand some game mechanism:

1) Why after parry an enemy attack my Valkyrie can not hit enemy with GB? She miss it so enemy have free hit/GB. I never met this problem with Conqueror, Shugoki, Orochi and from fights looks like only Valkyrie have this "problem"! The question is, WHY? If it is not a game mechanism, I really want to know Why?

2) I like Spear Sweep. I understand that enemy need to dodge it. But why Conqueror (looks like only this char) not need to dodge it but only move back will avoid this attack! Try it! Conqueror not need to use dodge, only simple move back (maybe not only Conqueror but while fighting my friend he only moving back while I triggering Spear Sweep). Why?

3) Why blocked attacks like Pouncing Thrust or Hunter's Strike results in free GB? Recovery time is so long that skilled enemy can easy block it and have free GB. Because of this are this two moves very risky. I tryed to GB same Peacekeeper ability but looks like that Peacekeeper can use CGB. Why?

4) Why she has so low damage? For example: After 3 Nobishi light attack hits I have only 1/2 health left. After my Valkyrie 3 light attacks hit Nobushi, she have 3/4 health left. Why?

5) What is a point of Warden shoulder "charge" hit? How to avoid it? Side dodge not work because you will get GB (which can not be countered while dodging). If is Warden close, your back dodge will not work too because he hit you sooner. After all Wardens shoulder hit, he have free attack. So my question is, how to avoid this attack when dodging not work?

6) Conqueror shoulder "charge" hit is almost same like point 5. I am glad that I can dodge it (Conqueror can not switch to GB), but when he hit you with it, he can repete it: Charge -> hit -> charge -> hit -> charge -> hit ... after he replenish stamina, he fall back and repeat! While you get hit by shoulder charge, you can not side dodge, you can not block incoming attack, sometimes you can use back dodge BUT ... Conqueror do "some weird" long reach heavy attack so it will hit you even after dodging away! If this is a valid game mechanism, I would like to know how to avoid this attacks.

I hope that one of developer will find a time to reply. After first dissapointment with first Hero, this is totally depresing.

Thank you.

1) Because Valk, like the Nobushi, Lawbringer and Kensei are "Long-Range" Classes. You throw back / Are thrown back further off a parry than the other classes. BUT you can get a gb after a parry since the Valk like the kensei and... raider i think has a dashing guardbreak. You can do ForwardDashGB after a parry and it's guaranteed.

2) This sounds like a bug, sweep should not be avoidable by moveing backward the trakcing on it is very good, you can do a Forward Throw (headbutt) , chain it into sweep and it will STILL hit.

3) That's normal (tho iirc it was only the Conq that could get GB after blocking ligthts and only on SOME classes because of Conq's superior block). It's normal because each attack has differant frame data on stratup and recovery. The Pk has THE FASTEST attacks in the game both Light and Zone attacks wich means her recovery from said attacks is also insignificant.

4) Because ... balance? Also Nobushis does one chain and that's it, end of chain. Valk can technicaly chain untill shes out of stamina after the first sweep. If you've sweeped someone you can go Heavy -> Bash -> Sweep ad infintum (or you know, untill your stamina lasts).

5) / 6) Everything is counterable in this game. For warden (and it seem i've said this 100 times allready) either use your fastest Light attack (side light usualy) and it'll stop both the charge and the guardbreak. Or double tap dodge to roll backwards (can't be Gbed in a roll). As for the Coneq he's hitting you because it's a chain. Chains have faster attack speed / better tracking and the conqueror can chain either a light or a heavy after shield bash

[FAT_GUTS]

1) You're using a damn spear. Try not being 12 dozen yards away when your parry goes off. If the developers specifically shut that down, then there's probably a serious problem involving the rest of your skill-set that they wanted to prevent. Ok, so how not to be 12 dozen yards away when parry an incoming attack? Can you explain it to me pls?
2) He stepped out of range fool. That's the simplest form of defense. "Don't be where the attack is." So how to be in range while Spear Sweep? Explain pls.
3) That entirely depends on who you're fighting but a lot of characters get a free GB after certain drawn out attacks. You stated your own solution, counter-guard-break and deal with it. I am tired of nonsense answers like CGB. Explain me how to CGB while you CAN NOT CGB.
4) Because she's got a SPEAR. Your damage is fast, repetitive, rapidly changes directions, comes from a mile away and she's equipped with more options to drain stamina than a Lawbringer. What more do you want? I think you never try Valkyrie. Chains are same like Nobushi, Nobushi has better range of light attacks. Which options do you talk about? Explain pls.
5) He can either cancel into guard break, or just let the shoulder charge hit. The guard break tracks a little bit so if you dodge too early he's going to have time to cancel and stick you. You can't CGB because you're busy dodging, so roll backwards, problem solved. When I play a Warden my biggest problem is dealing with rapid attacks, which your character is extremely well suited for. Avoid Top-Attacks and spam like a violent Monty Python skit gone horribly wrong. Or...ORR.. you can just HIT him. If he cancels, it's going to ruin his day. How can I hit Warden while stuned immediately after Shoulder bash? Or how can I dodge back when Shoulder charge hits you earlier? Explain pls.
6) They're nerfing that nonsense. I hope so.

I like to hear how to play better. Please explain my comments.

[FAT_GUTS]

1) Because Valk, like the Nobushi, Lawbringer and Kensei are "Long-Range" Classes. You throw back / Are thrown back further off a parry than the other classes. BUT you can get a gb after a parry since the Valk like the kensei and... raider i think has a dashing guardbreak. You can do ForwardDashGB after a parry and it's guaranteed. I saw a video with skilled Valkyrie player and sometimes when enemy is close it work (moving forward + GB). But lots of time it is risky because when you miss, you are in long miss recovery time. Even light attack miss after parry. I tryed some Heroes because of this but Valkyrie looks little broken for me ... dunno

2) This sounds like a bug, sweep should not be avoidable by moveing backward the trakcing on it is very good, you can do a Forward Throw (headbutt) , chain it into sweep and it will STILL hit. Yes, just moving back and you are out of range of Spear Sweep. Happens lots of time against Conqueror. Just simple moving back. BTW you must use Spear Sweep immediatelly after second chain hit or it will not trigget. So you have no chance to get in closer distance...

3) That's normal (tho iirc it was only the Conq that could get GB after blocking ligthts and only on SOME classes because of Conq's superior block). It's normal because each attack has differant frame data on stratup and recovery. The Pk has THE FASTEST attacks in the game both Light and Zone attacks wich means her recovery from said attacks is also insignificant. Free GB after block of theese two special moves is not because Conqueror superior block but only by basic block of any Hero. If you will fight skilled player who know this, than this two attack are risky...

4) Because ... balance? Also Nobushis does one chain and that's it, end of chain. Valk can technicaly chain untill shes out of stamina after the first sweep. If you've sweeped someone you can go Heavy -> Bash -> Sweep ad infintum (or you know, untill your stamina lasts). ... yes I agree that in compare with Nobushi we can find positive / negative.

5) / 6) Everything is counterable in this game. For warden (and it seem i've said this 100 times allready) either use your fastest Light attack (side light usualy) and it'll stop both the charge and the guardbreak. Or double tap dodge to roll backwards (can't be Gbed in a roll). As for the Coneq he's hitting you because it's a chain. Chains have faster attack speed / better tracking and the conqueror can chain either a light or a heavy after shield bash I can not agree with this statement: "Everything is counterable in this game". I explain both Warden and Conqueror earlier. Spamming light attack is not a solution to force Warden not to use Shoulder charge. If Warden is close, you have no time to light attack or dodge roll back. I explain this before too. I not know if you get a point about Conqueror Shield bash -> Heavy moves. Because of stuns / recovery times etc. you have no chance to do anything else.... Or ... can you explain me what to do when you get first hit by Wardens Shoulder charge and Conquerors Shiled charge?

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[ArchDukeInstinct]

To DukeInstinct:

I ask you to type which class can not GB after successful parry. I see you just talk a trash because you not answer. Forgot heavy attacks or any other moves. This point IS ONLY ABOUT GB after parry. If you not know how to perform it or doing anything else instead, just do not comment it.

Right and now try reading my previous post again, specifically the part "I didn't say you couldn't guard break after parrying. Virtually all classes can do that" There I clearly point out that there was nothing to list for you. In addition to your poor reaction time, inability to counter guard breaks, you also seem to be intentionally obtuse.

Only what you need to avoid Spear Sweep is have downed S key and you are out of range. Do you think is it correct game mechanism? I would like to ask a devs because this looks weird to me.

Sorry but what exactly is weird about an attack not hitting if you move out of its range? And yeah if it's a slow attack you can probably just walk backwards before it lands. Seems pretty basic to me, what's the problem here?

It is like talking to a wall. This point IS ABOUT REVOCERY TIME after Pouncing Thrust or Hunter's Strike. It is not about how good an enemy is or how and when to land.Do you understand? If enemy block (just simple block this two attacks) he have FREE GB. Free unblockable GB. Type me which another special moves from different heroes leads to FREE GB after you just simple block them! Tell me! If you not know ...please do not talk trash.

What is your idea? That the attack should have no drawbacks or a way to punish it at all? Should you be able to repeatedly pounce, back out of range, and then pounce again and they have no recourse against it? That seems to be the general problem here, you complain that there's a counter to a move, well yes... That's called balance.

From what I've experienced the peace maker's pounce has a similar recovery time if the attack is blocked. But surely you're going to freak out now because despite giving you a similar attack and situation, I didn't explicitly declare it as something that will lead to a free guard break if it is merely blocked because I've never seen it happen and I conclude that it probably isn't the case. Although even if it does happen, so what? Your attack failed and you got punished for it.

I understand that Vakyrie and Nobushi have different damage because of different move sets. I agree with all.

I'm glad you understand now. Not sure why I needed to explain something so basic in the first place but okay.

I see you not know what is uncounterable GB! Because I explain it before, please try to find it. If you will look into this forums more deeply, you will find differents posts about this. You can look on YouTube where very good players use this move. Again... YOU CAN NOT COUNTER IT! ...

Well I've yet to witness a situation of pouncing as a valkyrie, them blocking the attack, and then them getting a free guard break and I do that attack quite frequently and get it blocked quite frequently. Are you sure you're not actually being parried? Can you even tell the difference?

Like point before. Look into For Honor forum. After Shield bash you are STUNNED for a while! You CAN NOT BLOCK, PARRY, GB or any other moves. You totaly not have a knowledge of game mechanism! When you get Shield Bash your guard icons not show up before you get heavy hit! Only some characters can "passive block it" if you as Conqueror not do it well.

I don't need to look at the forums, I am nearly a rep 4 Conqueror and personally experience people blocking the attack or side dodging the shield bash all the time.

... BTW why you think that "tournament level players" not use Conqueror?! ...

Sorry but when did I ever say that tournament level players do not use conqueror? What I said that not ALL tournament level players use conqueror, not that nobody uses conqueror. Yet if what you said was true and the shield bash heavy combo was truly unavoidable and uncounterable then they would all play that because it would be completely stupid not to. They would automatically lose to anybody who was using conqueror.

This is my last to your comments becouse you talk trash! You lack of knowledge about game mechanism. If someone type that one move is weird, you reply trash like use different move. It is not a solution. If you not have anythink to my points, please do not reply! I know I can use moves in better time / in reaction of enemy. But this is not about game combat. This is about exact points of one Hero - Valkyrie.

Actually I only began "talking trash" when you were repeatedly condescending to me. You merely only received your own medicine back and wow are you upset about it.

Well no, I just don't repeatedly put myself in the same poor situations as you apparently do.

I never said to use a different move lol. I said to use the move at its proper time. This is a common theme, you constantly assert that I said something I never did.

[bananaflow2017]

I guess the valk hast got other problems.
For example the shoulder Pin.... nearly impossible to hit but your strongest atack. No other class has got to do stuff like that to use theire strongest attack.
Or am i doing something wrong? Maybe you have got some tipps for me