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[KingTheokoles]

Raider is one of the larger/stronger champions in the game, and yet he has no hyper armor on heavy attacks? Warlord is comparable in size and only swinging a sword instead of a giant Dane axe and he gets hyper armor on every heavy swing.

Berserker gets hyper armor on a top light and a top heavy while dashing, and Shugoki gets it every 3 seconds as a passive.

I'm not a Raider main, however I think that maybe he should get hyper armor on his heavy attacks, it's sad to see a good raider be countered by anyone that knows how to parry.

I mean COME ON, you think a light jab from a 80lb dagger weilding PK is gonna be able to stop a raider heavy heavy attack of a 60lb Axe coming down on top of them.

Anyone else think this would be a good buff to raider? Or not enough?

[Lyskir]

100% aggree he needs at least something to be viable :<

[Steelsoldier555]

I don't know about you but I MAIN Warden and I can tell you he does NOT have hyper armor on heavy swings. You can interrupt Warden, you have to be faster though. Play a assassin character and you'll see. I cannot tell you the amount of time ive gone for a heavy kill blow and kept getting interrupted by being stabbed or smacked by my opponent.

[Rahnzan]

80lb peacekeeper? 60lb axe? Try 190 and 8 bro. Thats a muscular woman as tall as a normal man wearing 60lbs of weapons and armor, and that axe isn't a car engine.

[secrecy274]

80lb=36kg... That's inhumanly small, especially for someone of her size. She's by far not the biggest hero, however she's easily the size of the normal soldiers, which seems to be normal humans, so she easily over 154lb=70kg. And tbh, no matter how big and muscular you're, if you get a cold piece of steel through your shoulder, you will feel it.

Realistically, a Dane Axe weighted between 1kg=2lb to 2kg=4lb, however the one wielded by the Raider is probably a bit larger.

That the overly fat (and muscular, I assume) Shugoki gets this "hyper" armor is the biggest BS in the entire game, fat doesn't protect a damn against cutting weapons. If anything, aesthetically, (not talking balance wise) the "hyper" passive should be on the Lawbringer, he's one of the tallest and widest character in the game, and HE'S IN FULL PLATE! Nothing, absolutely nothing the other "heroes" wear even comes close to that kind of protection. In fact, few of their weapons would even be able to put a dent in that armor.

[Rahnzan]

Actually gladiators would put on a couple dozen extra pounds specifically because fat did have an effect. Most cutting wounds are shallow, the extra layers would slow down blades, prevent organs from getting raked or pierced and because they don't contain nerves the wounds would even hurt less. I can imagine the extra calories also helped the healing process. That 9 foot tall 600lb Shugoki probably has 2 feet of stomach fat before you reach something important, and all of that blubber would act as a shock absorber on non-penetrating hits to the armor.

[Rahnzan]

Sorry for the double-post but editing seems to delete my posts, but think about the last time you had to cut through fat on a raw steak. Now imagine instead of using a sharp serrated knife on fat a quarter of an inch thick laid down on a stable cutting platform, you're smacking into a few feet of it with a blade you've dulled over bone, metal and wood for the last 3 minutes and that fat is standing on 8 hinges all actively trying to minimize a strike.

[secrecy274]

Sorry for the double-post but editing seems to delete my posts, but think about the last time you had to cut through fat on a raw steak. Now imagine instead of using a sharp serrated knife on fat a quarter of an inch thick laid down on a stable cutting platform, you're smacking into a few feet of it with a blade you've dulled over bone, metal and wood for the last 3 minutes and that fat is standing on 8 hinges all actively trying to minimize a strike.

"Grossschmidt’s assertion that gladiators purposely “packed on the pounds” with a carb-heavy diet poses several problems. For one thing, it ignores the devastating nature of ancient edged weapons. While a layer of subcutaneous fat can indeed give some amount of protection from the cuts of smaller knives, it is of no use against the types of weapons that gladiators typically had to cope with."
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"The gladius was a devastating weapon, capable of horrible, mortal wounds with both its point and edge."
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"archeologist Nicholas Sekunda noted that the ancient author Livy commented on how the Macedonians feared the cutting capacity of the gladius Hispaniensis–it was easily capable of shearing off limbs, or decapitating a foe."
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"Against such weapons, subcutaneous bodyfat would have served no genuinely beneficial purpose."

Link to full text: https://outofthiscentury.wordpress.c...t-roman-arena/

So against a small knife, yeah, bodyfat can protect a bit, however against anything heavier it's completely worthless.
Granted, I do assume the medieval grade weapons would be superior if at not least equal to ancient roman ones. I'm not a weapon expert, so I might be wrong.

[KingTheokoles]

80lb=36kg... That's inhumanly small, especially for someone of her size. She's by far not the biggest hero, however she's easily the size of the normal soldiers, which seems to be normal humans, so she easily over 154lb=70kg. And tbh, no matter how big and muscular you're, if you get a cold piece of steel through your shoulder, you will feel it.

Realistically, a Dane Axe weighted between 1kg=2lb to 2kg=4lb, however the one wielded by the Raider is probably a bit larger.

That the overly fat (and muscular, I assume) Shugoki gets this "hyper" armor is the biggest BS in the entire game, fat doesn't protect a damn against cutting weapons. If anything, aesthetically, (not talking balance wise) the "hyper" passive should be on the Lawbringer, he's one of the tallest and widest character in the game, and HE'S IN FULL PLATE! Nothing, absolutely nothing the other "heroes" wear even comes close to that kind of protection. In fact, few of their weapons would even be able to put a dent in that armor.

Uhhhh if you think that axe weighs 4lbs you're insane, I'm just gonna leave this here.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3WBV3FIUrSk

[Kharneth88]

Raider is one of the larger/stronger champions in the game, and yet he has no hyper armor on heavy attacks? Warlord is comparable in size and only swinging a sword instead of a giant Dane axe and he gets hyper armor on every heavy swing.

Berserker gets hyper armor on a top light and a top heavy while dashing, and Shugoki gets it every 3 seconds as a passive.

I'm not a Raider main, however I think that maybe he should get hyper armor on his heavy attacks, it's sad to see a good raider be countered by anyone that knows how to parry.

I mean COME ON, you think a light jab from a 80lb dagger weilding PK is gonna be able to stop a raider heavy heavy attack of a 60lb Axe coming down on top of them.

Anyone else think this would be a good buff to raider? Or not enough?

Axe is only about 4-6lbs, maybe 8lbs cuz the head is way thicker than in real life. But, yes, without any armor a small little dagger poke will stagger the **** out of anyone.