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[NetcodeFavorite]

A lot of characters have an annoying chain like the Valk's shield bash + sweep + overhead

- Warlord: Dash forward + heavy top + headbutt in revenge = opponent falls to the ground, can be repeated infinitely until possibly dodged
- Warden: Dash spam
- Lawbringer: Push + GB spam
- Conqueror: Shield Bash + Light Spam
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You SERIOUSLY going to throw in LB there? You can counter that GB. That combo is utterly useless vs ppls who knows how to counter GB. If it guaranteed a GB i'd agree but it does not. Other ones i agree with. But maybe then, they should perhaps rework these? It's clear that these types of combos and Valks leg sweep aswell, is not balanced. It needs to either add a cooldown or make it harder to execute. Atm Valk can for example just side strike, leg sweep, heavy and rinse and repeat and can throw you off with doing more than 1 side attack or doing a top light first etc.

Wardens is aswell completly stupid. Shoulder bash once get a 2 hit, shoulder feint GB. And he can spam these in however he wants making it impossible to predict and you get caught both times. Some chars can throw in a light before he gets the shoulder bash off, but for very slow chars like LB; not possible.

[Gammony]

You SERIOUSLY going to throw in LB there? You can counter that GB. That combo is utterly useless vs ppls who knows how to counter GB. If it guaranteed a GB i'd agree but it does not. Other ones i agree with. But maybe then, they should perhaps rework these? It's clear that these types of combos and Valks leg sweep aswell, is not balanced. It needs to either add a cooldown or make it harder to execute. Atm Valk can for example just side strike, leg sweep, heavy and rinse and repeat and can throw you off with doing more than 1 side attack or doing a top light first etc.

Wardens is aswell completly stupid. Shoulder bash once get a 2 hit, shoulder feint GB. And he can spam these in however he wants making it impossible to predict and you get caught both times. Some chars can throw in a light before he gets the shoulder bash off, but for very slow chars like LB; not possible.

I only stated some characters that have a spammable attack chain as well, I never mentioned whether they are useful and neither ranked them by effectiveness

Same as the LB's attack can be easily cancelled by countering the GB, you can also dodge the Valk's leg sweep. I agree, the timing has to be better though. Everything can be somehow interrupted (except for some rare moments in Revenge mode...)

[PrimaGoosa]

If Revenge mode didn't give knockdowns to unblockable charge moves that stagger (Conq, Warden, Warlord, Valk), it wouldn't be nearly as much of an issue. As it is, you can very easily get solo-chained to death if you get caught once.

I don't think it should be a thing either, but it has nothing to do with Valk as a class. It's a Revenge mode change.

[Harry_S._Houle]

Amen

[Aiva_Kami]

You SERIOUSLY going to throw in LB there? You can counter that GB. That combo is utterly useless vs ppls who knows how to counter GB. If it guaranteed a GB i'd agree but it does not. Other ones i agree with. But maybe then, they should perhaps rework these? It's clear that these types of combos and Valks leg sweep aswell, is not balanced. It needs to either add a cooldown or make it harder to execute. Atm Valk can for example just side strike, leg sweep, heavy and rinse and repeat and can throw you off with doing more than 1 side attack or doing a top light first etc.

Wardens is aswell completly stupid. Shoulder bash once get a 2 hit, shoulder feint GB. And he can spam these in however he wants making it impossible to predict and you get caught both times. Some chars can throw in a light before he gets the shoulder bash off, but for very slow chars like LB; not possible.

The bully combo is just as good as the valkyrie sweep, the conqueror bash and the warlord headbutt. Warden is in a league of its own due to having 2 options from the charge rendering dodging it resulting in a cancel into grab.

Its obvious that you play a lawbringer and you feel that the character is weak. In dmg the character has high dmg just terrible ways of landing the damage. When it comes to bully potential no character comes close the shove, it has priority over most other if not all other attacks that is similar like the valkyrie shield bash, conqueror etc etc. Shove wins.

As for your example of valkyrie side strike >leg sweep not a possible combo, side striek > light > leg sweep is. Sweep is possible after a shield bash or as the third link. And unlike the warden you can dash the shield charge as it cannot be canceled into a guardbreak.

Im all for seeing lawbringer get buffs, but at the same time they ought to nerf the bully strenghts that he has. And possibly reduce the hp, and give the character more raw damage. And fix the slow guard change positions that lawbringer, raider and nobushi suffer with.

But valkyrie sweep is not op, you can dodge it while standing in it. Leaving the valkyrie in recovery for you to make some dinner and decide what punish to use.

[UlfhednaR_BEAST]

Why do you choose to fight someone having revenge mode up in the first place? like..."**** he has revenge mode on TIME TO BEAT HIM UP!"
If someone is on revenge, you either focus on your defense or keep your distance and sit it out.

I didn't even read what after. Man... or woman, sometimes, in this game, revenge activates accidentally. I don't know why i even explain this to you, but so you will know it for sure. I hope.

[KelMartigan]

I didn't even read what after. Man... or woman, sometimes, in this game, revenge activates accidentally. I don't know why i even explain this to you, but so you will know it for sure. I hope.

Allright bud, I dont know what you are talking about to be honest...

but let me sum this up: you start a thread with a title like "nerf valk"
yet, you complain about valk in revenge mode and not valk in general
other chars have such combos in revenge mode too, but you want expecially the valk to be nerfed, as you stated in your title.

Why dont you create a thread with a title, lets say, "nerf revenge mode" ?

and now you dont even bother to read what others have in mind about what you wanted to talk about just because it is a different opinion. But if you find someone with a different mindset than yours you simply ignore him. thats the spirit of a good community dude! why is not everyone doing so?

You want to explain things to me? I think someone should explain things to you:
when revenge mode is "ready" the game indicates it for you, visual and with sound. Thus, you shuld KNOW when your opponent is able to use it.
revengemode has an animation upon activation which takes around 1-2 seconds to give the player the control back

in my experience, revenge mode NEVER activates accidentally or at random. Did you try to explain that this is exactly happening to you? your enemy suddenly activates revenge accidentally or at a random moment to roflstomp you? Well anyways...nevermind
Once more a proof that a forum like this is not the right place for me.

you better start a new thread with the right title to discuss your revenge mode issues and not especially the valk, because that seems what you really want to do here.

[Mr_Warden2017]

True that , Like shes staggers you as she starts the sweep not allowing a doge at all

[ChampionRuby50g]

True that , Like shes staggers you as she starts the sweep not allowing a doge at all

Nope, it is without a doubt possible to dodge the sweep. Your timing is just off. It is possible to dodge the sweep and when you do she is super punishable for a while.
If anything Valk is a mid, low-mid tier at best now. Because of PC complaining her lights where too fast they where slowed substantially and now on console even the newest player could parry her second light.

[ARZVEL]

Did you even tested her right? I hope not. Because if you are... well, i fought against good Valkyrie and she's get this bloody revenge mode (another unbalanced thing, but ok), guess what happens next? Shield-bash and heavy overhead + shield-bash and heavy overhead + shield-bash and heavy overhead til i died (i had a full extra-armor on me, and full health). I've played as Warlord and i could not dodge it as i get back up on my feet. It's clearly imposible. Right after me she fought against Orochi, and guess what happened when she gained that revenge mode again? Yes, you right. And that was a good Orochi (honorable one also), an assassin, light class. And he could not dodge it! Guys, what have you done...

p.s. this game already slowly dies, which is sad as hell to me. But i feel kinda like Ubi deserves it. The worst community ever (no honor, toxic and salt everywhere), crazy lack of balance and poor connections... Learn a lesson.

I play warlod to, my brother plays the valk, and sorry for saying but you are not good. How do I know? well just for the word "IMPOSSIBLE" no need for explanatios. You are just bad as hell. Just ask anyone that it is a SKILLED PLAYER. See youtube videos of how to play with that awesome fighter properly. Besides the shield bash is the easiest valk movement to dodge. Just search in vids. And by the way. YOU SOUND LIKE THOSE TOXIC, SALTY PLAYERS. ALL OF THEM ARE POOR SKILLED ANGRY PLAYERS. It is SAD.