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[Turric4n666]

You are saying why you think it is bad. Its your opinion, not a fact. And so you think, only because i disagree with you, iam not allowed to talk here? Also you don't even want to argue why, you just said in a previous post you don't like to repeat yourself. Now you also say you try and keep bringing it up every chance you get. You contradict yourself twice in 3 posts. You should be the one who shouldn't engage in a conversation, because so far you have only said its bad, not why. Or unless "unfair advantage" is the only argument you got. Which i disagree with. You spend more time in the game, why wouldn't you get more rewards? Do you mean, that someone who spends 1 hr in the game should get same thing, someone who spends 10+ hrs gets? Or do you mean that there should be no reward at all? Cuz then the reason to play disapperes alltogether.

Also that you want a different game mode without gear, there exists 2 of them. Called Brawl and Duel, gear has 0 impact there.

Of course you are allowed to talk. You can do so in a respectful manner or i won't take you serious. Saying i am whining is disrespectful.

I said i don't want to repeat myself. In this. Thread alone i stated it more than one time. Granted my posts got deleted yesterday because i got banned for spaming.. Lol.. So i provided you a link to a podcast where sirlin and aphotix go over this topic in crucial detail. Far better than i ever could.

So, i can understand when people don't want to broaden there Horizon and don't take a bit of work to educate themselves. It's far easier to get things presented to you in the form of moving pictures.

Anyway. Unfair advantage is the one argument that tops it all and yes. It is unfair from a competitive view point.

Imagine if we played chess, but i would get an additional piece for every year i played.

Or i can compete in tour de france with a motorcycle because i competed last year.

That doesn't make sense.

And saying that there is no reason to play a game without stat progression is just such a bad argument, It should not even come up.

1.you should play a game because you want to play the game. When you need reward to play a game, the said game seems to not be interesting in itself and you rather seem like a lab monkey that just does it for a banana.

2.cosmetical progression is fine as i stated numerous times.

[DrinkinMyStella]

Its the revenge mode that high level players have the advantage over. Im gear score 108 and revenge is at its max stats, revenge by defence, revenge mode attack, revenge mode my injury etc and it helps me massively when being ganged up on. I tried playing with a new character and boy was it difficult.

[NetcodeFavorite]

Of course you are allowed to talk. You can do so in a respectful manner or i won't take you serious. Saying i am whining is disrespectful.

I said i don't want to repeat myself. In this. Thread alone i stated it more than one time. Granted my posts got deleted yesterday because i got banned for spaming.. Lol.. So i provided you a link to a podcast where sirlin and aphotix go over this topic in crucial detail. Far better than i ever could.

So, i can understand when people don't want to broaden there Horizon and don't take a bit of work to educate themselves. It's far easier to get things presented to you in the form of moving pictures.

Anyway. Unfair advantage is the one argument that tops it all and yes. It is unfair from a competitive view point.

Imagine if we played chess, but i would get an additional piece for every year i played.

Or i can compete in tour de france with a motorcycle because i competed last year.

That doesn't make sense.

And saying that there is no reason to play a game without stat progression is just such a bad argument, It should not even come up.

1.you should play a game because you want to play the game. When you need reward to play a game, the said game seems to not be interesting in itself and you rather seem like a lab monkey that just does it for a banana.

2.cosmetical progression is fine as i stated numerous times.

I just wanna comment on disrespectful part. You call me stupid and a "lab monkey." Iam not sure how thats not disrespectful. Quote from you "Saying that you deserve a physical advantage for playing more is stupid."

You are taking this out of context and your comparisons doesn't work. First off because the chess board needs to be pretty much 100x its size for that to even work because eventually the board would run out of room. And changing from Bike to motorcycle doesn't work aswell, because thats changing what you are using, not making it better. A better comparison would be that your bike gets higher quality things on it, like a better chain, more comfortable chair and so on and so forth, because thats what we are getting. Im not going from wielding 1 halberd on my Lawbringer to using 2 halberds or something insane like that.

My reason to play the game has no value because it doesn't apply to you? And you also dictate why peoples play the game? Ppls can play the game because it has a nice landscape for all i care, that doesn't mean they play the game for the wrong reasons. Because there are no wrong reasons to play a game. The game is interesting to me and gear progression is another carrot to keep on playing that char.

Also your only argument so far, is that its unfair. Which i have already countered with that matchmaking is on its way to lower the chances that you face one with higher gear, mostly by using played time. But its impossible to make it 100% accurate, cuz then u would need to queue up with that char. Also, the devs have stated that they pair you by skills, cuz they value skills higher than gear. Which anyone should. Because skills will always outshine gear in For honor. Put the best player in the world vs a newb, give the newb 108 gear score, give the professional with 0 gearscore, the professional will always win. While sure, gear doesn't make you OP as i assume you know to, which is also an argument as to why gear isn't THAT big of a deal. And eventually, everyone will have 108 or close to it so that the gear will play an even smaller role.

I'll listen to the podcast and see if i hear any different argument than "its unfair." if i do i might give it a chance but if they jump straight in to the unfair part and refuse to let it go, like you, i'll just disregard it. Everygame is unfair in 1 way or another to a new player. When he gets better gear (which you do rather quick) and get more accustomed to the game, it won't make such a big difference and he will be able to pwn ppls like everyone else.

[NetcodeFavorite]

@Turric4n666 i've only listened to 14mins in and these guys basically want no gear progression, no char progression, whatsoever. They want you to get 100% of what the game has to offer in terms of chars skills, gears, etc when they open the game. They don't want char progression, even if the progression is 100% fair. In other words, even if you are faced vs players who has the exact same gear as you, its still not fair, because they don't have everything yet. So they basically don't want any progression at all. Already there, i disagree with that. I think it is fair, cuz no1 has any advantages above you, it is fair playing field.

Also in the beginning, they counter arguments they supposedly "heard." Like that its p2w to buy the game, idk who the **** would ever make such an argument but thats just stupid and i doubt they "heard it." Prob made it up to sound smarter if anything. And i just can't listen anymore to their podcast, its very tedious and anoying to listen to. Cuz they think any type of progression, even if u face opponents with the same progression, is unfair. Which i disagree with. And they talk about chess and counter this argument "Its okey to start with less pieces cuz it takes time to learn the game anyway." Plz tell me anyone who would say such a thing. Did they just google "top 10 most stupid comments."

The thing is 1hr long and even more and i doubt they will say anything else than its unfair, cuz thats the argument they have pushed for 15mins. Like i ****ing get it, its unfair, move on.

Edit: and the podcast keep getting stuck and i can't change the timeline in the podcast cuz then it gets stuck, can't be arsed to listen to the 15mins again. Sorry if this comment comes of as douchy but the fact that the podcast keeps getting stuck is annoying me and the way they talk is very tedious.

[Turric4n666]

I appreciate that you take the time.
For the record i took your wording in the stupid sentence and changed a word. I also said like a lab monkey.. There is a small difference.

[Alustar.exe]

This is a simple fix, add an internal cool down for revenge activation of maybe 60s(plus more time for diminishing returns)
And then add in a diminishing return on the health/shield buff.
Right now all the revenge system is used as is for free health and a damage shielding combined with knock backs and few hits.

Conversely, people need to be more aware of the battle and not hit a player who just flashed orange. Let that cool down and reengage after the revenge is gone.

[NetcodeFavorite]

So Turrc, what these guys want are competitive games to be like Tekken or DoA or Street fighter. That is not what For honor is, its completly different.

[Alustar.exe]

Hell even those fighting games have some form of progression. You don't just start out with every character unlocked.

[Turric4n666]

Ok no arguing with the ignorant people. If you don't know what competition is, so be it. I hope you make it far in life.

[Azarquiel]

I still dont understand why people still complaing about gear stats, is just a reward for playing the same character long enough. using heroic gear give a good boost to all, but anyway u CAN lose to someone who play better, i kill better gears that me, and i die too to poor gears that me. Telling the game is unfair because u dont want to play long to get better thing is just lazy.