If someone can kill you using again and again the same tactic, then you just have to git gud against this tactic right ?
Or are you saying you exactly know what the enemy will do, but you cannot counter it, even if you know what he is about to do ? Seem like you need to train !
while this is mostly a learn to play issue, i have to somewhat agree with the OP too.
meaning that some classes being able to spam those attacks out of nowhere from point-blank range is kind of stupid (because they can spam them A LOT before running out of stamina).
so you dodge one charge, guess what they'll do next? start the cheese-train again.
while this IS counterable, it is probably the most annoying **** to play against, takes no skill to be executed and just makes for very boring fights.
its also the most frustrating thing to play against on maps that are very tight and where dodges get blocked by the environment (paired with the god-like tracking on esp. warlords headbutt).
TLR: the "spammability" of those attacks should be looked at, as it can be abused too easily.
I have people dodge that highly telegraphed shield bash and have to fight them a different way. Then there's people who let me do it, and guess what? If you just stand there and let me do it even more so if your in a corner, damn right I'm going to. It's one of the only viable combos we have and not using it because I may upset someone ain't happening. Any more so than getting PK's to stop bleeding, Raiders charging, Kensei top heavy unblockble, LB pole arm flip, etc., etc., etc..
For those of you saying "get good" or just dodge it, I am pretty good. This tactic doesn't occur often, but when it does its frustrating. I don't think this spam attack is avoidable, hence why players use it.
It's seems to mainly be the Conqueror, and it usually only happens in corners, where there is no where to dodge.
I have several hours of play with that character and I know how the shield dash works similar to the Warden's, yet it's twice as fast.
Believe me, I'm good enough to adapt to most players tactics in a few minutes, but going against this spam is futile.
It's almost as bad as the Shugoki or Lawbringer doing their charger throw, charge throw, because they don't know how to actually fight.
The Lawbringer b.s. I understand, but everything else you mentioned can be dodged easily. There's a problem with the Conqueror's dash, and it needs to be slowed like the Warden's.
I completely understand people wanting to use any tactics they can to win, but exploiting a broken combo is weak and unskilled.
There is no way to get out of that spam because you're constantly stunned. And the way guard break counter is so ****ing random, there's no way to fight it.
So I main LB and I get owned by Orochi and PK that move side to side and light attack. I cant move my polearm in time to catch their attack (its to fast). Most people dodge my unblockable because it has a very slow animation. I have actually switched from LB because of the amount of times I get pwned and there is nothing I can do about it because of my speed.
I agree 110% on the Peace keeper's speed. But that seems like a legit gameplay mechanic to me. The problem is the blocking on many characters is too slow. If a player is fast enough to react and move the thumb stick fast enough, the character in game should block. That's just another exploit, albeit less irritating.