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[VillagerNum1]

I just wanted to start off by saying this, I love this ****ing game so much. I love it despite knowing Ubisoft's track record and how badly they **** games up. Before you read the rest of the post, please make sure to watch this video as this is context of what I'm trying to point out and I apologize with all the cusswords as I'm extremely peeved atm and this is the first time I've ever decided to quit a game as fast and as badly as now. The footage was captured about 5 minutes after I noticed it happening and started reading the chat (I was too busy defending C): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JgSJ...ature=youtu.be

I've played For Honor since Closed Beta. Loved the game moment I saw trailers for the game and loved it even more when I saw the actual gameplay. I have played this game for more than a week's worth of play time, reached prestige 3 with Orochi on the last Closed Beta and the Open Beta. With the full release, I've reached Prestige 4 with Orochi as well as a Prestige 3 Warlord.

I believe everyone can agree that PK's right now are extremely overpowered. I've heard rumors about pre-nerf Orochi's where normal blocks are immediate deflects but I believe Orochi's never reached the heights of OP as the PK's right now. Those who complain about bleed stacks have no ground in doing so. If you get grabbed, then it's your fault. If you get side stepped and stabbed, again your fault. What I want to point out are 4 glaring issues seen in the video:

1) Peace keeper light attacks: Yes I know "git gud nub" "L2block". I play on a keyboard and mouse (i know it's not an excuse) but even then, it's still hard for me to keep up with their light attack spam. Their frames are a tad bit too fast. It's not OP by any stretch of the word but it's still pretty darn fast. Compare it to Orochi's "OP top attack" but taht's all there is to Orochi's. PK's seem to have a quick release for any side they release light attacks from.

2) Zone attack for PK's: Not sure if I have to say more but PK's really do have an extremely broken Zone attack. It's even faster than their light attack and with proper gear, a PK will NEVER be punished for using zones.

3) Revenge mode: I have to admit that I'm not innocent of this charge because I have also taken advantage of how fast you can gain revenge with the right gear. I've also used this to my advantage to push objectives while I fight lower GS people. When an Orochi or a PK can 2-3 shot you with revenge gear on, there's something wrong with the stat or the accumulation of revenge.

4) Spawn camping: Why is this a thing? Why is there no safe guard against spawn camping? We don't have protection for a few seconds at least? no protection from grabs? or damage? How about straight up stopping people from coming into our spawn? Because how are we supposed to play dominion with this kind of crap happening?

In conclusion, I have decided to put down this game for awhile (after the free champion status of course) until Ubisoft fixes at least 2 of the issues I've listed above. this post may also not gain a lot of traction but I will try my best and hope for the best that this does gain traction because Ubisoft does need to see this and they need to see first hand how bad the state of the game is right now. The only place you can "Kind of" have a fair game is 1v1 but the population there is extremely low because of exp gains and steel. Hope you all have a good day!

PS: Williamz if you somehow stumble upon this post, I just wanted to ask you man, in all honesty, how fair do you think it is what you did? You already had a stacked team against ours and still felt the need to cheese and spawn camp and spam zones? I think you're a pos for cheesing the game mode and for playing the game this way. But you aren't fully to blame as Ubisoft has a large part in this.

[Hogmin]

It needs adjusting, as a lot of things do.

her zone does indeed need slowing down, if only a little, but her lights aren't so bad, maybe slow the second hit down rather than just nerf them altogether.

It's a slippery slope for all of the Assassins, if they get nerfed even slightly too hard they instantly become worthless.

Revenge has been addressed by the devs in an interview, they're looking into it.

Spawn camping, I dunno, I get where you're coming from but at the same time if Revenge and other things are fixed, it shouldn't really be an issue.

[TheConductor052]

If they are spawn camping just run right past them. Spawn camping only works if you stop and fight. Ignore them.

[Simi_Xiamara_]

Nobushi dose this just as easy? Nobushi is a HUGE aoe you can't even get close to the nobushi while she is doing this and you manage to chip some hp off her? Nope lol nobushi has a healing feat so ya gl (overall nobushi needs a buff not saying nobushi is op)

My idea to fix this is make it so if someone is in your base they can't gain revenge easy fix

[Simi_Xiamara_]

If they are spawn camping just run right past them. Spawn camping only works if you stop and fight. Ignore them.

That is probably the best thing to do but at same time how am I going get my minions out of the base?

[Dry.Fish]

I wouldn't say PK's lights need slowing down or any other assassin spam. It's more like cancerous players that need a more diverse set of moves.

[ArlianDeBias]

I main peacekeeper and shugoki, so I'd like to address some points made in the original post.

1) Peace keeper light attacks: Yes I know "git gud nub" "L2block". I play on a keyboard and mouse (i know it's not an excuse) but even then, it's still hard for me to keep up with their light attack spam. Their frames are a tad bit too fast. It's not OP by any stretch of the word but it's still pretty darn fast. Compare it to Orochi's "OP top attack" but taht's all there is to Orochi's. PK's seem to have a quick release for any side they release light attacks from.

I wouldn't say it's particularly difficult to block light attacks from a peacekeeper. I would recommend practicing against an AI bot to get the hang of it. Once you get the hang of blocking, and eventually parrying, a PK's light attack you've got a very big weapon against them.

2) Zone attack for PK's: Not sure if I have to say more but PK's really do have an extremely broken Zone attack. It's even faster than their light attack and with proper gear, a PK will NEVER be punished for using zones.

My advice would be to learn which direction the zone attack comes from and always have your block facing that way when you're not actively blocking from another direction. The thing with peacekeepers zone attack is once you know which direction it hits it becomes very easy to block. I personally use the zone attack to punish anyone who makes a mistake or anyone who doesn't block from that direction naturally, which I think is fair.

I use high Attack and Defense in my gear so my Stamina Regen is extremely low, and I definitely get punished for using more than one zone attack at a time. I usually back off straight away to let my stamina recover. I'm not sure how many zone attacks a PK can do with full stamina regen gear on as I've never tried, so someone will have to let me know about that.

3) Revenge mode: I have to admit that I'm not innocent of this charge because I have also taken advantage of how fast you can gain revenge with the right gear. I've also used this to my advantage to push objectives while I fight lower GS people. When an Orochi or a PK can 2-3 shot you with revenge gear on, there's something wrong with the stat or the accumulation of revenge.

I think a majority of the community has a serious misunderstanding of what to do when their opponent activates revenge. I find that most of the people who complain about revenge are the sort of people who stand still and swing away at a revenged enemy, and then wonder why they've been killed straight away.

Let me be clear, you should switch to playing defensively when your enemy activates Revenge. Their attacks cannot be interrupted, and they will kill you if you stand still and take their sword inside your body. Focus on your blocks, parries, guardbreaks and dodges until your enemy comes out of revenge and you can attack them safely again.

Another major thing is having team mates who understand that attacking someone 4v1 at the same time is a very bad idea if they have full revenge gear, as you're pretty much handing them the pass to unlimited health, extra damage and uninterruptible attacks. I know this can't always be helped when you're playing solo but hopefully you can stop yourself from doing the same thing as they are and learn how to give the enemy less revenge activations.

4) Spawn camping: Why is this a thing? Why is there no safe guard against spawn camping? We don't have protection for a few seconds at least? no protection from grabs? or damage? How about straight up stopping people from coming into our spawn? Because how are we supposed to play dominion with this kind of crap happening?

I've never actually experienced this, and I'm not sure how this would work in practice. I want to agree with you, but all I can imagine is the community figuring out a way to use this spawn immunity or damage protective when spawning to unfair advantage in some way. If Ubisoft can come up with something which can't be exploited, I'm all for it.

[ArlianDeBias]

That is probably the best thing to do but at same time how am I going get my minions out of the base?

Let them kill your minions, you'll be laughing at them when you've capped both the player points and nobody is contesting them.

Sounds like an easy win to me.

[Simi_Xiamara_]

Make it so opposing teams don't gain revenge in your base... this can't be exploited if the entire team decides to stay in base to fight then they can't capture the zones

[Simi_Xiamara_]

Let them kill your minions, you'll be laughing at them when you've capped both the player points and nobody is contesting them.

Sounds like an easy win to me.

It only takes 1 person to spawn kill a entire team and minions(could easily be avoided if they let ps4 ppl chat -.- ) had a nobushi camp spawn so I decided kill him and then the entire team for some stupid reason decides to help so now nobushi is getting inf revenge and has a healing feat and is spamming zone attacks. It's dumb they don't have a quick chat saying "back off I got this" or somthing along those lines