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[Duckbit]

OP, if you have been playing since Alpha I strongly suggest you to look at some guides and video gameplay of the raider.

The fact that the zone attack can be (has to be!) parried is what makes it that strong! It's one of the best bait in the game (at the cost of huge stamina) and gives the raider nice mix-ups.

if you do something like parry > gb > wallthrow > light > zone / feint you can be 90% sure that the opponent is going to take your bait and go for a parry, you can then parry his heavy and start a new chain, if he dodges > GB

if he starts to stop reacting to avoid that chain, let your zone trough a few times for huge damages

actually, you can start that game at any point in fight. It's pretty much the raiders only good option. That attack forces the enemy to react


If you remove the parry option, people will just dodge backward and it will be completely useless (unless there is a wall behind). Also, it would make the raider completely imba in 4v4/dominion modes (he is already really strong in those)

Raider could use a buff, but not that one. The best option I see is making his stance change faster.

Gotta agree with this gentleman here. Stance changing speed is mandatory.

[BL4CK_W4LL_]

Stance change speed needs to be normalized for all characters. No reason for a core mechanic to work better on some characters than others.

[rycor]

Gotta agree with this gentleman here. Stance changing speed is mandatory.

I dont know if people that speak against what the OP is saying play the raider at all or if ever. Its so easy to say look at this vid or try that. Bear in mind the other people will work you if your raider supposed unblockable attack isparried. 3v1 4v1 all the more worse. Here is how it works example: 3v1 4v1 is even worse. Your in revenge mode you swing your unblockable it gets parried. the other 2 hack and slash so fast and your dead before you know it. Even if you get off another unblockable it gets parried. So sorry the revenge for the raider is useless. He is too slow to do anything in that situation. The raider's unblockable attack needs to be just that UNBLOCKABLE/parried. Thats the facts jack. You can disagree all you want. Play one and find out.

[REDBOILOUU]

Dude... Build me a shrine and thank me later...

You. Do. Not. Want. A. Parry. Nerf. As. A. Raider.

Are you serious? You know you will be eaten alive by PK / Berserker / Orochi / Warden if they nerf'd Parry or removed Parry, right?

Is your current game plan to simply swing the slowest attack in the game and hope to win? ROFL... Trust me, no one needs parry to beat Raider, they can light spam you, GB you, deflect you, dodge you, block you, have some tea then block you... YOU as a Raider are the one who NEEDS parry. That's you main source of damage. How do you even do damage without parry? How will you ever hit anyone in this game if you don't Parry as a Raider? After a Parry you get a free GB, which you can use to Environment Kill or into a free stunning tap combo. You can also spin the enemy into a wall for a free side Heavy or Unblockable (if he falls from the back spin, he doesn't have time to parry the unblockable or side heavy).

You NEED parry. Don't do that to yourself, lol...

Although what you state is an opinon I will leave it at that. First.. me playing the raider for awhile I know how to beat orochi, berserker, and Peacekeepers are difficult in general but nobody said to remove parrying. Secondly, you assumed my gameplay is to swing the slowest attack as If I am a rookie? Once again man don't assume and make comments that are irrelvant. Thirldy lmao you state "they can light spam you, GB you, deflect you, dodge you, block you, have some tea then block you... YOU as a Raider are the one who NEEDS parry". Can't anybody do that to anybody?? LMAO isn't that basic technique of the game?? lol Disregard that comment and once again to conclude I never said remove parry but modify? absolutely, It needs some more skill to pull off.

[REDBOILOUU]

Appreciate the discussion! Absolutely he needs some mixing up, I completely agree with a lot of your post!

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[REDBOILOUU]

Raider prestige 7 here. Not here to boast that I know and mastered and ins and outs of a Raider but I am pretty confident with my Raider knowledge. I do agree that they need an upgrade to bring them up to balance with everyone else. If I would play this game using logic rather than for the sake of my personal preference on design and theme, I'd say I'd rather main either the Valkyrie or the Warlord, they both offer lots of options for PVP. HOWEVER because I love the Raider's design and theme it brings to the whole Viking feel.

Getting right into the main topic, I'd say if they would change anything to a Raider's move set is to give him a longer range for his light attacks, long quick swipes instead of that short range handle whack they do. The hilt strike is fine but we should be rewarded more than just a disorient, mayhaps a short stun to guarantee at least a grab.

Welcome fellow RAIDER! I appreciate the discussion and feedback! YES ABSOLUTELY, somebody who knows where I am coming from, I love the raider but he does need to be twinked to be balanced with the other players, I am not saying make him OP but at least one modification that gives him a chance to defend himself other than throwing people off the cliff when the oppertunity presents itself. All of your suggestions I agree with, at least we are on the same boat. Side note: I completely agree with you on loving the raider for the feeling he brings as a viking and the viking theme. He is the quintessential VIKING! (which is why I want fair balancing.)

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[REDBOILOUU]

I don't really agree with the OP about his anti parry stance. Honestly the raider needs a soft feint option for his unblockable similar to the kensai where the unblockable would get canceled into an attack. In the raiders case, probably a pommel strike like he can with heavy attacks.

Raider also needs to be able to side heavy off a guardbreak.

The raider wall slam could use some damage, equivalent to a light attack.

Guard changing speed needs increased so he stands a chance against PK and some other heroes.

And last but not least, his charge/grapple ability should have less of an animation. Its so telegraphed it never hits anyone unless ur sneaking up behind someone. Its infinitely worse than the lawbringer joust.

None of these changes should impact how well he does in 2 vs 1 scenarios so it wouldn't make him OP in 4 vs 4.

Currently he cannot win against a competant duelest. Dodge is a nightmare for him and parry is an equal nightmare.

Yo mannnn, absolutely the raider has a unique ability to grab you and ram you against a wall, that should definetly come with some minor damage? (ITS A BULGING KNEE TO THE FACE) Like that should def be implemented.Yes the PK is a nightmare for him, pray your timing is correct! I agree with your comments thanks for the discussion!

[REDBOILOUU]

OP, if you have been playing since Alpha I strongly suggest you to look at some guides and video gameplay of the raider.

The fact that the zone attack can be (has to be!) parried is what makes it that strong! It's one of the best bait in the game (at the cost of huge stamina) and gives the raider nice mix-ups.

if you do something like parry > gb > wallthrow > light > zone / feint you can be 90% sure that the opponent is going to take your bait and go for a parry, you can then parry his heavy and start a new chain, if he dodges > GB

if he starts to stop reacting to avoid that chain, let your zone trough a few times for huge damages

actually, you can start that game at any point in fight. It's pretty much the raiders only good option. That attack forces the enemy to react


If you remove the parry option, people will just dodge backward and it will be completely useless (unless there is a wall behind). Also, it would make the raider completely imba in 4v4/dominion modes (he is already really strong in those)

Raider could use a buff, but not that one. The best option I see is making his stance change faster.

LUSLEZ! Nice to meet ya man, but as an experienced Raider the tips help... but they don't lol quote my first post! Lol But I hear ya man but we are going to agree to disagree! The zone attack is powerful but at the same time (only know if you truly have put in hours with the raider) is it really that strong if it is almost always parried against another seasoned player and you lose insurmountable amounts of stamina and gain damage from it? Trust me as a raider it makes you afraid to throw it there, aka makes the move obsolete..

Yes I am down for the feints, but man after a few feints (that as a raider you usually take damage for because by time you feint and manuever to another move the opponent is faster than you and fast enough to have got a hit in) your at a good lost of stamina and feints still dont matter if the person can PARRY like crazy smh. But reread my initial post, like I stated in another reply... I NEVER said to remove parrying at all. To modify it? Yes, it needs some configuring to where its more difficult to pull off.

Great discussion thanks for the comments!

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[GentleManiac757]

[QUOTE=TTVPappusGaming;12404559]Funny thing that if the zoneattack couldn't be parried it would actually be worse. But you play since alpha so you know everything there could possibly be to know about the raider. He has the best unblockable in the game yet you still complain about it. Funny guy.[/QUOTE

Raider's best move 1v 1,2,3or 4 send em home crying.
drop a fire bomb at my feet and crack each foe over the head alternating among the fools that dont fry,execute the last one standing, while your character is still burning!!!!!!

[Madein1987]

I come from a Raider perspective. I have played him since closed beta and have been playing him exclusively in Duels and Brawls, so I can't say much about the balance of the Raider with gear stats on and 4v4 environnement.
However, I have clearly had my share of experience in 1v1 and 2v2 with him. I play Raider because I love the way he looks and I like the feel he has.
His moveset is rather simple, straightfoward, and his heavy combo pretty much kills on completion. But that is never going to happen against a skilled player unless you have been playing Inception level of mindgames with your opponent. I have a love and hate relationship with the Raider. Every win seems like you have outplayed your opponent, but every fight also seems like an uphill battle.

Guard change is slow enough so countering Peacekeeper's light attacks is a matter of prediction rather than reaction.
No guarantied heavy after GB makes the raider GB followup either very stamina consuming(ZA), dependant on the environnement (perfectly spaced wall stun) or suboptimal(knee to the face+light attack, light attack or heavy canceled stunning tap). It's not a bad thing, just an observation.
Slow light attacks and slower heavy attack makes for a very easily interruptable character.
I find it odd that a character that look like could brute force his way in a fight doesn't have any initerruptable attacks.
I feel like Raider should have more follow up after a stunning tap. Right now, you can only follow it up by a light attack.
I feel like the Raider should be able to land a side heavy after a wall stun, I am not versed in the other character but he seems like the only character who does not have a guarantied heavy (or good punish) after a wall stun.
I feel like tweaking some numbers on his recovery frame or windup frame would go a long way to make him viable in 1v1 at high level.