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HELP THE RAIDER OR PLEASE MODIFY PARRYING I BEG OF YOU. Every match he is parried. Just please alter parrying in all, Its seriosoly gotten to the point in this game where one person is waiting for another to swing and then parrying. Parrying is so broken its annoying. Add that on top with the raider being given an "unblockable move" but can be parried?? What kind of bull is that. Ive been playing with the raider since the alpjha so please don't post any bull tips and tricks cuz he has disadvantage. But yet wardens, warlords get all these spam moves and raider left for dead. Its bull. And once again to leave off, please make some changes to parrying it is so lame now its not even funny.
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Funny thing that if the zoneattack couldn't be parried it would actually be worse. But you play since alpha so you know everything there could possibly be to know about the raider. He has the best unblockable in the game yet you still complain about it. Funny guy.Originally Posted by REDBOILOUU Go to original post
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Because this is a public forum I will not try to expose you for your stupidity in your comments. lol But you said if it couldnt be parried it would be worst. False, reason being because for somebody who (like you said) does know everything about the raider and has used him countless times the unblockable attack can easily be dodged because it is a slow frame rate move. It is easily seen coming and players have plenty of time to react. That is the reason being why it is so easily parried because it is easily predicted.... Secondly, how can he have the best unblockable when it is constantly parried and supposed to be a unique move of his playstyle?? You made an very irrational and incoherent comment. You say I complain because I am have played him since the alpha... yet wouldnt that make me know all his weaknesses, flaws, and strengths?? Therefore I have the knowledge to speak on him being disadvantaged. Please come with facts before you make ******* comments thanks kid
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This is an opinion. Don't state opinions as facts. Want a fact? His unblockable is one of the slowest and most heavily telegraphed moves in the game particularly since it can't be varied, thus making it one of the easiest to parry. This is why it has basically been resigned to a move that follows up a throw because his heavy attack isn't guaranteed.Originally Posted by TTVPappusGaming Go to original post
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Dude... Build me a shrine and thank me later...Originally Posted by REDBOILOUU Go to original post
You. Do. Not. Want. A. Parry. Nerf. As. A. Raider.
Are you serious? You know you will be eaten alive by PK / Berserker / Orochi / Warden if they nerf'd Parry or removed Parry, right?
Is your current game plan to simply swing the slowest attack in the game and hope to win? ROFL... Trust me, no one needs parry to beat Raider, they can light spam you, GB you, deflect you, dodge you, block you, have some tea then block you... YOU as a Raider are the one who NEEDS parry. That's you main source of damage. How do you even do damage without parry? How will you ever hit anyone in this game if you don't Parry as a Raider? After a Parry you get a free GB, which you can use to Environment Kill or into a free stunning tap combo. You can also spin the enemy into a wall for a free side Heavy or Unblockable (if he falls from the back spin, he doesn't have time to parry the unblockable or side heavy).
You NEED parry. Don't do that to yourself, lol...
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Yeah you definately need parrying as a raider, but he needs something he can do after a parry, right now he get's a free light attack or a GB(and gb gives you a free....light attack...). I like the current parry system, they key to win against a good parrier is to fake and play mindgames, and Raider is good with that, his heavy-to-stunning tap fake is his main tool and it's really good....until you face someone with good reactions, then it's practically impossible to win because Raiders heavies are so slow he can wait to see if he needs to parry or block top, and GB/parry is weak with raider aswell because you can't really get anything of it. Raider needs slightly faster attacks, that much I know, both heavies and lights, his light attacks get parried all the time against good players which is ridiculous. It seems like Raiders light attacks are just slightly faster than other heroes heavies, and his heavies are of course slower than a snails yoga session (isn't that a cute analogy i used?).
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Raider prestige 7 here. Not here to boast that I know and mastered and ins and outs of a Raider but I am pretty confident with my Raider knowledge. I do agree that they need an upgrade to bring them up to balance with everyone else. If I would play this game using logic rather than for the sake of my personal preference on design and theme, I'd say I'd rather main either the Valkyrie or the Warlord, they both offer lots of options for PVP. HOWEVER because I love the Raider's design and theme it brings to the whole Viking feel.
Getting right into the main topic, I'd say if they would change anything to a Raider's move set is to give him a longer range for his light attacks, long quick swipes instead of that short range handle whack they do. The hilt strike is fine but we should be rewarded more than just a disorient, mayhaps a short stun to guarantee at least a grab.
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I don't really agree with the OP about his anti parry stance. Honestly the raider needs a soft feint option for his unblockable similar to the kensai where the unblockable would get canceled into an attack. In the raiders case, probably a pommel strike like he can with heavy attacks.
Raider also needs to be able to side heavy off a guardbreak.
The raider wall slam could use some damage, equivalent to a light attack.
Guard changing speed needs increased so he stands a chance against PK and some other heroes.
And last but not least, his charge/grapple ability should have less of an animation. Its so telegraphed it never hits anyone unless ur sneaking up behind someone. Its infinitely worse than the lawbringer joust.
None of these changes should impact how well he does in 2 vs 1 scenarios so it wouldn't make him OP in 4 vs 4.
Currently he cannot win against a competant duelest. Dodge is a nightmare for him and parry is an equal nightmare.
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OP, if you have been playing since Alpha I strongly suggest you to look at some guides and video gameplay of the raider.
The fact that the zone attack can be (has to be!) parried is what makes it that strong! It's one of the best bait in the game (at the cost of huge stamina) and gives the raider nice mix-ups.
if you do something like parry > gb > wallthrow > light > zone / feint you can be 90% sure that the opponent is going to take your bait and go for a parry, you can then parry his heavy and start a new chain, if he dodges > GB
if he starts to stop reacting to avoid that chain, let your zone trough a few times for huge damages
actually, you can start that game at any point in fight. It's pretty much the raiders only good option. That attack forces the enemy to react
If you remove the parry option, people will just dodge backward and it will be completely useless (unless there is a wall behind). Also, it would make the raider completely imba in 4v4/dominion modes (he is already really strong in those)
Raider could use a buff, but not that one. The best option I see is making his stance change faster.
