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I'm a R10 Lawbringer. I have a thing for playing underdog characters.
Issues in order of importance
(Note this is in regards to high level 1v1 play with OPEN NAT 54Mbps)
1) Guard Stance Change Speed
He's a tanky counter character ... Who can't counter. Because you can't counter... What you can't block.
I understand his attacks been slow, but why is his block stance change speed slower than anyone else's? Hes a "counter" character who literally can't keep up with enemy attacks, and they know it.
2) Attack Damage To Low
I get his attacks are slow and are very easily dodged, parried, and blocked. I get that the stamina cost for these attacks are high if somewhat to high, BUT what I don't understand is how he can pay that massive price, and have his attack damage be so low.
3) Counter/Parry Follow Up
With dodge the way it is, and what feels like 95% of players playing assassins, on chance you do manage to block the mad flurry of attacks his Counter/Parries cant connect due to dodge making them pretty much useless.
His shove does no damage and even if you do manage to get their stamina down they just spam dodge faster than you can run, free of cost, to get away. Dodge should not be enabled if stamina in on cool down.
An Exception for this is his Parry+Light Attack, which is a hit but does next to no damage for maximum risk.
Enemy's should fear attacking him, and not have their mistakes so easily corrected and reset.
4) Enemy Literally Dodging Through An Attack
They dodge right,
You predict and have attacked right,
They literally phase through your axe and they land their attack. Cool story...
5) Been guard broken mid attack
Now I don't know if this is a networking lag thing or a Lawbringer thing, but I want to bring it to your attention regardless. I have been mid, start, or end swing, and have been guard broken many times.
6) Renown Gain To Low
It needs to be increased, simple as that.
IN CONCLUSION
He's a tanky counter character,
whose block stance speed can be out attacked,
whose counters are slow and easily dodged,
Whose attacks are more a weakness than an attack due to been so easily dodged, parried, blocked
So his defence is useless (easily dodged or out attacked)
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His Attacks are useless (Easily dodged and Low in Power)
Yet I refuse to give up on him, but please please please fix him. Ty
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Got mine to rep 2. I 100% agree with all of this. As of right now the LB cant fulfill his only purpose in the game, which is highly ridiculous.Originally Posted by HoneyBadgerMilk Go to original post
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Oh man, thanks for sharing your opinion which is exacly the same than mine, 100% agree.
I'm R5 and despite I do good work with him I feel like I have to ultraoutplay enemies since I lack in punish mechanics.
He doesnt deal enough damage when landing an slow, expensive and easy to parry attack.
If you are facing someone good at counter GB you are ***ed, if you are facin someone fast in their attacks you are ***ed and...parry+GB doesnt work since isnt free one, tested, they can counter your gb after a parry.
I usually defeat other LB becuase Inknow exacly what he lacks, and Im sad to be a thrower abuser, but man, I can run out of stamina 3/4 times before I kill someone...so....
Lets aproach them to the cliff...haha.
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I'm a Rep6 LB and I agree with all of this, I used to parry everything but then noticed how often people either parry my counter attacks or just dodge out of the way, so now I just use the shove interrupt and then throw them at obstacles to get a free heavy.
If you're in a wide open area its very hard to do decent damage with him. I also agree his attacks should do more damage with him being so slow, the Nobushi can do 84 damage with a heavy and it's faster than LB heavy, and shes using a stick with a dagger at the end, LB has a heavy pole axe that would weigh 3-4 times more, it just doesn't make sense.
Another thing I noticed and mentioned on here before is opponents dodging through attacks, I'll string one of his combos and the last wide side sweeping attack will get dodged and you can see the trail that follows the axe pass right through enemies. It happens with overheads as well.
I usually play 4v4 modes so I can get a buff from his gear to balance him out so it's not so bad there but in duels and brawls he gasses out so fast it's hard to press the advantage when you get it. I was doing a duel order and tried my LB, got picked apart by a PK that I just couldn't keep up with blocking and wouldn't attack me until I attacked him.
I picked a Berserker and won 10 straight, 8 of them were 3-0 sweeps, only 1 went to the 5th round.
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Fellow Lawbringer main here, I agree 84% with everything stated, he has way too little options to punish anyone, especially for a supposed "Counter-attacker".
By far the worst thing is that he doesn't get a free heavy with a parry, "counter-attacker" my ***. The only way to get a free heavy is to guard break after a top parry (side parry and the GB don't reach them), AND he do little damage if he actually hit.
Dodge heavy-heroes aside, by far the worst enemy for our precious Lawbringer are the Shugoki, that damn "hyper-armor" or whatever is just pure overkill against such a slow character as the Lawbringer. If anything the Lawbringer should have it, if only because he has a huge damn armor, unlike the Shugoki, and last time I checked iron protect way better than fat.
Considering the Phantom bow in BF4, Tachanka in R6S and now the Lawbringer... I definatlly share your fascination for the underdog :/
EDIT: for those of us hoping for a buff, remember Tachanka in R6S. It was clear from release, 1 dec 2015, he was underpowered, yet he remained untouched until DECEMBER 15 2016!
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Number 4 is one of my biggest gripes. If an assassin misses a deflect attempt when dodging *into* an attack, they absolutely should take the hit. As for number 5, that is annoying inconsistent. Sometimes I grab enemies before an initiated swing is completed, other times it fails. Without testing, it seems too inconsistent to rely on.
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PLEASE PLEASE HELP LAWBRINGER HE'S SO BAD.
Like why can the warden has all those LIGHTNING FAST STRIKE WITH A GREATSWORD AS THO IT WAS A WOOD STICK 5 M LONG while lawbringer can literally do NOTHING against good opponents? Everything is dodged or parries, he has no way to close gaps ! 90% of the time your guardbreak miss while the other characters can ****ing teleport to you form 10 m away to guardbreak you ! Even revenge is useless for him, he's too slow and weak to deal good damage to gankers. People aren't even afraid of him AT ALL, they know he cannot reach anyone. If that guy is good a parrying and counter GB, you're ****ED.
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Im glad that im not the only one playing lawbringer, and again not the only one who feels like this. lets try keep this post towards the top.. with bumps if we need to.
not many people play the lawbringers, less care if hes UP, even less want to see him buffed.
so its falls on us
thanks for your support
