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[Gensui.Musashi]

Nope actually prest 1 but yeah i only play him because of his stupid emotes ^^'

My mains are peacekeeper prest(4) and warden prest (3) but orochi prest(4) that's why i find that it's a stupid idea to buff him he is already kinda too strong in my opinion

I see peacekeeper and warden. Thats why you dont want to buff Orochi.

[Onyx I Vector]

Orochi needs a buff or a rework of his kit.

At mid/high Level is too predictable, his only useful are top light and zone attacks, the rest is to slow/predictable. No mix up, deflects are not worth the risk, parries are better. You cannot feint storm rush into GB because you're too far away from your opponent.

Well, one word for describe orochi at this Level: LIMITED

Ps: i'm reputation 11 with the orochi

[NegoPop]

I see peacekeeper and warden. Thats why you dont want to buff Orochi.

It's funny how you easily forget the prestige 4 Orochi but okay... it seems that playing other char mean that im are not objective about my statement so ...

yeah ruin the game witha buff orochi

Oh and btw dont you find strange that in litterally EVERY Game in a 4 vs 4 match (dominion or elimination ) there is at least 2 or 3 orochi??

Think about it....

[Braegulfer]

It's funny how you easily forget the prestige 4 Orochi but okay... it seems that playing other char mean that im are not objective about my statement so ...

yeah ruin the game witha buff orochi

Oh and btw dont you find strange that in litterally EVERY Game in a 4 vs 4 match (dominion or elimination ) there is at least 2 or 3 orochi??

Think about it....

I'm gonna sound like I'm being a **** but I swear that's not my intent (this time). If you were more skilled with the orochi you would see it, and every other assassins shortcomings at the higher levels. of play.

[Cipher_73]

Well first of all, Rep doesn't equal skill, just experience. Orochi's counterattacks have been changed due to the way Deflect works now. You have to dodge in the direction of the attack during the Parry window, although it seems a little more finicky than Parry, honestly. That said, Orochi has one of, if not THE strongest Deflect Counterattack in the game with Hurricane Blast, so...not sure what you're asking for, really. Your Deflection Counterattacks are already unblockable and undodgable, with only the Heavy being slow enough to maybe interrupt. My advice would be to practice your Deflection timing.

If you want to know what a REAL struggle is regarding counterattacks, play Lawbringer.

Finicky deflect is an understatement. It's near impossible to achieve even a 50% activation ratio of the deflection counter. That means that most of the times, the deflection is unusable. Not sure if it's lag, or a very small window coupled with lag. It's just ridiculous.

[NegoPop]

I'm gonna sound like I'm being a **** but I swear that's not my intent (this time). If you were more skilled with the orochi you would see it, and every other assassins shortcomings at the higher levels. of play.

If you say so...

Let's just hope one day we will be facing each other (im on ps4 btw ) and you 'll show me how skilled a high level orochi is... lol

Because as far from now even high level (prestige 12 ) didnt get me in a 3 row duel match so yeah i hope so

[itsPlanB]

Cool. Appreciate that. Most won't do that. I'll respond to the rest using just the sites data as a standard. Hope that's cool.

I actually misunderstood those stats at first and thought those stats were for the entire game, not just a single player. I went back and edited my post.

Not sure where you're getting the 81.5% win rate at, as FHTracker has you at 62.80% in Duels as a whole. You do have 20 games more on the assassin class than he does. As for your assertion that he's doing it in Dominion. You have 102 or your 186 Total Games (54.83%) played in 4v4 Modes. Cartoonz has 138 of his 320 total games (43.12%) in 4v4 modes. I say that by percentage you actually have the greater statistical chance of raising your "ganked" stats than he does. In fact, he has 182 total games in Duel and Brawl alone. That's equal to your entire number of games period.

His 65% win rate is across the board, all modes with that character. My win rate on the Zerker is higher (overall) which is probably the product of my 81.5% win rate on duel: https://fhtracker.com/profile/pc/Delectable_Sin/heroes I also have more games played, and far more player kills. Which means that his stats are coming (more so than mine) from modes like Dominion, where he's just running around and capturing objectives.

Who is talking about dominion? We're talking about character balance right?

If a certain character dominates on dominion, I don't care, it's a noob mode where ganks and retreats reign supreme.

You're strengthening my argument for me. That's exactly my point. That over time, and over the 320 games that he's played his statistical matchmaking has gotten progressively harder. That point was made to counter your stance that he's playing scrubs. Nothing more.

Also, you're sorely mistaken if you think that someone will luck out and get matched against nothing but noobs in order to get a good win rate. Over 15 games or so? Absolutely, but the matchmaking certainly matches you based on your win percentage. I know because I can't even learn new characters since I get matched against people at super high levels when I'm on a level one, and they're the same people I see when I hop on the Zerker.

So if I have the correct understanding. Only players who cheese the assassins are good players now? I would have assumed that players with skill wouldn't "cheese" at all. As for you saying that the vast majority of your stats coming from Duel, maybe we're looking at different stats. Duel is less than 50% of your games played, which I pointed out in the very first response.

I know for a fact he's playing lesser opponents because they aren't spamming the cheesy crap that drains assassins of their entire stamina pool in 2-3 moves, like the guys I play. He has a 65% win rate with far less player kills, and only 20 less games, which means he's playing modes where he isn't forced to fight people. The vast majority of my stats are from duel, with occasional games in other modes in order to complete orders

Again with the 81.5% win rate. That's not on there. Your duel winning percentage is 62.80% and Cartoonz is 63.00%. You're clearly not being matched against anyone better or worse than he is and you're not winning 20% more of the time like you're claiming here.

Compare my 81.5% win rate to his 63% win rate on duel... I am clearly being matched against better players than him because I win 20% of the time more than him.

I don't know why he doesn't have a FHTR score, but I show your score at 8% not 1%. But still pretty damn good.

Also, my FHTR score (over all skill rating) is in the top 1%...

LOL. No problem. I use it to keep track of how I'm doing. I'm old. Have slow *** reactions and just hope I kill people more than they kill me. My FHTR is in the top 31% of the players. I'm happy with that. I still don't understand the game too well as I work too many hours. Its too bad you're not on the XB1 version. I'd have to give you a whopping.

Oh and thanks for exposing me to that website. Now I can look up the noobs who claim I'm being matched against noobs because of my "bad win rate" lol.

[secrecy274]

I'll not debate THEREALCARTOONZs skill, however after watching a few of his streams, his opponents are rarely that good. I would be happy if I could find an opponent that would let me GB them as often, yet I always gets CGB.

EDIT: to elaborate, I watched him play as the Lawbringer, and his opponents rarely if ever CGB him, letting him chain them over and over.

[CrysisDs]

Orochi needs a buff or a rework of his kit.

At mid/high Level is too predictable, his only useful are top light and zone attacks, the rest is to slow/predictable. No mix up, deflects are not worth the risk, parries are better. You cannot feint storm rush into GB because you're too far away from your opponent.

Well, one word for describe orochi at this Level: LIMITED

Ps: i'm reputation 11 with the orochi

This guy got it. I am an orochi main and know its a strong character but its too limited. Not even using deflect cuz not worth it ... parrying all the time and if I got matched up against a same level warden I can leave right away because he will wait for overhead attacs and punish me for it and/or zone attack all the time.

[HoneyBadgerMilk]

Pls buff them, MOST of them are completly useless in late game. for example orochi. im Rep 5 with him and i cant do anything against this turtle ****. I dont want more dmg, hp or speed but some new combos that are actually usefull.

this is a joke right?