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[Oktober.]

While we are at it, let's nerf their ability of dashing at normal speed when out of stamina. Everyone should get punished for running out of stamina. Peacekeeper shouldn't be able to spam spam spam, run out of stamina and dash away at max speed to get away and recover

[Braegulfer]

While we are at it, let's nerf their ability of dashing at normal speed when out of stamina. Everyone should get punished for running out of stamina. Peacekeeper shouldn't be able to spam spam spam, run out of stamina and dash away at max speed to get away and recover

When a sin runs out of stamina, its lights out vs the big four, unless they don't know how to punish it. They already drain stamina at the start of every fight (well 3/4 do...) which makes it almost impossible to recover at the high end. We don't need to give the strongest classes an even BIGGER advantage.

[Delectable_Sin]

Exactly. "For ALL skill levels." Not just the top elite.

Exactly, "all" skill levels, not just the majority poop noobs.

While we are at it, let's nerf their ability of dashing at normal speed when out of stamina. Everyone should get punished for running out of stamina. Peacekeeper shouldn't be able to spam spam spam, run out of stamina and dash away at max speed to get away and recover

I would have no problem at all with that. I'm actually talking about duel more than anything. But I do think that most people think PK is annoying specifically because they can disengage and run away on the other modes when they want to.

[itsPlanB]

First, the site was provided as a reference point for statistics. It's not the end all be all but a way to correlate data used in a conversation. Second, if you bothered to actually read the information presented on the site you'd see that the Lawbringer is his top character. (Which he did because everyone on the videos gave him crap for playing the PeaceKeeper)

Also, the LB is in the lead on the site you posted, lol, so he's the undisputed king according to that site.

Where you're completely wrong here is that you assume that everyone is playing against like opponents. Winning 65% of your matches against the top 1% of the players in the game is great. Doing it against the bottom 1% means that you're just not very good. I'd say that CaRtOoNz is likely closer to that Top 1% of all players, considering he's the guy that Ubisoft tabbed to be the leader of the Knights Faction for the game.

Dude is sitting at the same crap win rate as the rest of you

Again, you failed to use the data of the site as a benchmark.

GAMES PLAYED
320

I've posted the games played directly from the link. After 320 matches I'd say that the likelihood that he's being matched with an opponent vastly below his skill set isn't a high probability. Possible? Sure. Likely? Less than likely.

He's matched against people that don't abuse the mechanics of those classes. Or he's in his first 30 or so matches, where it's easy as pie to have a 100% win rate

Not after 320 matches it's not. In fact, if you look at his win and loss percentage in Brawl and Duels he's 74.30% and 63.00% respectively. Its possible that he's getting a few throw away matches in there every now and again. I'm not trying to tout him as some unbeatable force, but the chances of it are dwindling as he plays more and more games.

65% win rate is still that zone where he's pub stomping noobs effortlessly.

Then how do you explain the video of him taking down those classes that you and the original poster were saying are unbeatable by an assassin class? You're saying that its because he's playing lesser opponents? I think your premise is flawed and you're providing zero actual evidence to back it up. I've provided both empirical video and statistical evidence that says that your and the original posters claims are not as valid as you'd like them to be believed, and that your skills may just not be there yet. (I know mine aren't.)

Stats based on the entirety of the player base have nothing to do with what the TS is saying. He's saying that the upper echelon of this game is full of classes that destroy assassins, and they can't be competitive there. He's absolutely correct.

[Delectable_Sin]

First, the site was provided as a reference point for statistics. It's not the end all be all but a way to correlate data used in a conversation. Second, if you bothered to actually read the information presented on the site you'd see that the Lawbringer is his top character. (Which he did because everyone on the videos gave him crap for playing the PeaceKeeper)



Where you're completely wrong here is that you assume that everyone is playing against like opponents. Winning 65% of your matches against the top 1% of the players in the game is great. Doing it against the bottom 1% means that you're just not very good. I'd say that CaRtOoNz is likely closer to that Top 1% of all players, considering he's the guy that Ubisoft tabbed to be the leader of the Knights Faction for the game.



Again, you failed to use the data of the site as a benchmark.

GAMES PLAYED
320

I've posted the games played directly from the link. After 320 matches I'd say that the likelihood that he's being matched with an opponent vastly below his skill set isn't a high probability. Possible? Sure. Likely? Less than likely.



Not after 320 matches it's not. In fact, if you look at his win and loss percentage in Brawl and Duels he's 74.30% and 63.00% respectively. Its possible that he's getting a few throw away matches in there every now and again. I'm not trying to tout him as some unbeatable force, but the chances of it are dwindling as he plays more and more games.


Then how do you explain the video of him taking down those classes that you and the original poster were saying are unbeatable by an assassin class? You're saying that its because he's playing lesser opponents? I think your premise is flawed and you're providing zero actual evidence to back it up. I've provided both empirical video and statistical evidence that says that your and the original posters claims are not as valid as you'd like them to be believed, and that your skills may just not be there yet. (I know mine aren't.)

I actually misunderstood those stats at first and thought those stats were for the entire game, not just a single player. I went back and edited my post.

His 65% win rate is across the board, all modes with that character. My win rate on the Zerker is higher (overall) which is probably the product of my 81.5% win rate on duel: https://fhtracker.com/profile/pc/Delectable_Sin/heroes I also have more games played, and far more player kills. Which means that his stats are coming (more so than mine) from modes like Dominion, where he's just running around and capturing objectives.

If a certain character dominates on dominion, I don't care, it's a noob mode where ganks and retreats reign supreme.

Also, you're sorely mistaken if you think that someone will luck out and get matched against nothing but noobs in order to get a good win rate. Over 15 games or so? Absolutely, but the matchmaking certainly matches you based on your win percentage. I know because I can't even learn new characters since I get matched against people at super high levels when I'm on a level one, and they're the same people I see when I hop on the Zerker.

I know for a fact he's playing lesser opponents because they aren't spamming the cheesy crap that drains assassins of their entire stamina pool in 2-3 moves, like the guys I play. He has a 65% win rate with far less player kills, and only 20 less games, which means he's playing modes where he isn't forced to fight people. The vast majority of my stats are from duel, with occasional games in other modes in order to complete orders.

Compare my 81.5% win rate to his 63% win rate on duel... I am clearly being matched against better players than him because I win 20% of the time more than him.

Also, my FHTR score (over all skill rating) is in the top 1%...

Oh and thanks for exposing me to that website. Now I can look up the noobs who claim I'm being matched against noobs because of my "bad win rate" lol.

[Braegulfer]

I actually misunderstood those stats at first and thought those stats were for the entire game, not just a single player. I went back and edited my post.

His 65% win rate is across the board, all modes with that character. My win rate on the Zerker is higher (overall) which is probably the product of my 81.5% win rate on duel: https://fhtracker.com/profile/pc/Delectable_Sin/heroes I also have more games played, and far more player kills. Which means that his stats are coming (more so than mine) from modes like Dominion, where he's just running around and capturing objectives.

If a certain character dominates on dominion, I don't care, it's a noob mode where ganks and retreats reign supreme.

Also, you're sorely mistaken if you think that someone will luck out and get matched against nothing but noobs in order to get a good win rate. Over 15 games or so? Absolutely, but the matchmaking certainly matches you based on your win percentage. I know because I can't even learn new characters since I get matched against people at super high levels when I'm on a level one, and they're the same people I see when I hop on the Zerker.

I know for a fact he's playing lesser opponents because they aren't spamming the cheesy crap that drains assassins of their entire stamina pool in 2-3 moves, like the guys I play. He has a 65% win rate with far less player kills, and only 20 less games, which means he's playing modes where he isn't forced to fight people. The vast majority of my stats are from duel, with occasional games in other modes in order to complete orders.

Compare my 81.5% win rate to his 63% win rate on duel... I am clearly being matched against better players than him because I win 20% of the time more than him.

Also, my FHTR score (over all skill rating) is in the top 1%...

Oh and thanks for exposing me to that website. Now I can look up the noobs who claim I'm being matched against noobs because of my "bad win rate" lol.

This dude, Delectable_Sin rules, and totally get it. I agree, those opponents are not that great, especially the Shugoki who misses opportunity after opportunity to punish.

I'm also going to throw my 78% win rate in the hat and agree with everything in his post.

[NegoPop]

Pls buff them, MOST of them are completly useless in late game. for example orochi. im Rep 5 with him and i cant do anything against this turtle ****. I dont want more dmg, hp or speed but some new combos that are actually usefull.

Hmm Orochi

Free 3 hit confirm , have a foward slide with his guard break, quick side dodge ( 2nd best after the zerker which is a total ******** char), fast light attack

One 3 hit combo and u lost 1/3hp of your hp (besides the japanese tank)

You talked about the conqueror( the << turtle>> ) lowest light attack speed and recovery of the game, one of his hit does like nothing to your health

after a parry u dont have the speed to counter attack with a heavy to launch a combo which besides is easily dodgeable,you jnow the << combo>> heavy strike shield bash

Plus the fact if u use heavy attack at the same time that you block an attack you supposed to have the upper hand (conqueror's passive) but as conqueror even after that u can be parried lol


So yeah buff the orochi ....

[Braegulfer]

Hmm Orochi

Free 3 hit confirm , have a foward slide with his guard break, quick side dodge ( 2nd best after the zerker which is a total ******** char), fast light attack

One 3 hit combo and u lost 1/3hp of your hp (besides the japanese tank)

You talked about the conqueror( the << turtle>> ) lowest light attack speed and recovery of the game, one of his hit does like nothing to your health

after a parry u dont have the speed to counter attack with a heavy to launch a combo which besides is easily dodgeable,you jnow the << combo>> heavy strike shield bash

Plus the fact if u use heavy attack at the same time that you block an attack you supposed to have the upper hand (conqueror's passive) but as conqueror even after that u can be parried lol


So yeah buff the orochi ....

Conq job is bleed stamina then punish, not trade hits. Stam bleed then punish is the tactic top-end dudes do to the exclusion of all others.

[Gensui.Musashi]

Hmm Orochi

Free 3 hit confirm , have a foward slide with his guard break, quick side dodge ( 2nd best after the zerker which is a total ******** char), fast light attack

One 3 hit combo and u lost 1/3hp of your hp (besides the japanese tank)

You talked about the conqueror( the << turtle>> ) lowest light attack speed and recovery of the game, one of his hit does like nothing to your health

after a parry u dont have the speed to counter attack with a heavy to launch a combo which besides is easily dodgeable,you jnow the << combo>> heavy strike shield bash

Plus the fact if u use heavy attack at the same time that you block an attack you supposed to have the upper hand (conqueror's passive) but as conqueror even after that u can be parried lol


So yeah buff the orochi ....

well you must be lv 15 or something

[NegoPop]

well you must be lv 15 or something

Nope actually prest 1 but yeah i only play him because of his stupid emotes ^^'

My mains are peacekeeper prest(4) and warden prest (3) but orochi prest(4) that's why i find that it's a stupid idea to buff him he is already kinda too strong in my opinion