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[MassiveD.]

You're just showing yourself to live up to your name. It may not be against the LETTER of the law, but it's definitely against the SPIRIT of the law. But then again, people like you don't care about that, do you? People like you are why I actually quit tabletop gaming.

Is it fair? No.
Is it sporting? No.
Is it fun? No.
But is it against the rules? No, so I can get away with it.

People like you are toxic and kill gaming communities with your selfish, ******* behavior.

Last time I checked it's mandatory to follow the law in real life, and regulations in online video games , morality is not mandatory,

Funny enough, this is actually in essence why Donald Trump became the democratically elect president of the United States, mainly due to regressive left pushing their "everyone must be PC" fantasy, and the majority of voters saying "we don't want to" with their votes.

[AveImperator85]

Last time I checked it's mandatory to follow the law in real life, and regulations in online video games , morality is not mandatory,

Funny enough, this is actually in essence why Donald Trump became the democratic elect president of the United States, mainly due to regressive left pushing their "everyone must be PC" fantasy, and the majority of voters saying "we don't want to" with their votes.

Funny that you bring up politics, considering you're the one saying "**** you, I'll do what I want because I think consequences are for other people." I was going to assume YOU were the regressive leftist.

[Allyrion8]

AFK-ing has to be considered griefing. If someone rages and afks for the rest of the match in a PvP game while moving slightly to not get booted, that is textbook griefing.

If you do it against AI, it's no different. The few times I do AI dominion matches for Orders, it's filled with these people running in circles to farm xp. But you also meet people who want to finish the match or even just like playing against AI but their team has no interest.

It's just as bad as afk-ing in a regular match and both should be bannable (at least, starting with a suspension). This is considered griefing in any multiplayer game I've played (with matchmaking) and I've played a lot.

Also, if there is an AFK system while people are just running in circles to bypass it, then that is obviously an exploit so it has to be an offense.

[RenfieldX]

Yes, "law" is what my masters degree has written on it, that's why I , unlike majority of people here, took my time to go over the available Code of Conduct, and didn't find a single line remotely describin the issue, that's why I've been asking on several different threads for an official response, because as I said, the only reason why developers haven't commented on this on day one - must be that they don't think it's a player issue to begin with, but rather a coding issue which they are probably working to fix on rather than procecuting players whom if you ask the Code of Conduct - are doing nothing wrong.

"Relax, I am sure an Ubi rep, will be right along to say the same thing."

I wish, I've been asking every day for one and a half week without replies

Exploiting: Triggering and using a bug or glitch, or bypassing established game rules by to gain a significant advantage or skip progression steps otherwise necessary.

There is a system in place to automatically kick inactive characters so that they are not causing other players to fight at a disadvantage, and so that they are not getting rewarded (xp/steel) when you're not actually playing (progression). Using a rubber band or similar method so that their character is running in circles is deliberately circumventing this system, therefore against the CoC.

Now, I don't have a fancy law degree, but that seems fairly straightforward to me.

[MassiveD.]

Funny that you bring up politics, considering you're the one saying "**** you, I'll do what I want because I think consequences are for other people." I was going to assume YOU were the regressive leftist.

And just as everybody in regressive left, you've devolved to lieing and putting words in my mouth, as you can clearly see yourself from this thread, nowhere have I said that' I'll do whatever I want with no regards to consequences

Quite opposite, I've only been asking for official statement from the developers which would answers what the consequances are if any to begin with, instead of trying to come up with my own consequences and starting witch hunts on unsuspecting people, just like you lot are trying top do.

Talk about immoral.

[MassiveD.]

Exploiting: Triggering and using a bug or glitch, or bypassing established game rules by to gain a significant advantage or skip progression steps otherwise necessary.

There is a system in place to automatically kick inactive characters so that they are not causing other players to fight at a disadvantage, and so that you are not getting rewarded (xp/steel) when you're not actually playing (progression). By using a rubber band or similar method so that their character is running in circles is deliberately circumventing this system, therefore against the CoC.

Now, I don't have a fancy law degree, but that seems fairly straightforward to me.

Most of the time you can't punish for being AFK, this time you can't even prove that players ARE afk, especially if they are running around in circles.

What you can do is check for bots and scripts and ban players using them on the spot, if there aren't any - the player may simply be running in circles by his own choice, 16 hours straight or not thats not any of your concern, if not the Code of Conduct would say "people volunteraly running in circles for over 16 hours will be banned", which then would be fair and reasonable, if it was ratified.

You maybe saying "well if I talk to player and he doesn't respond - he must be afk", but that also doesn't work because players have no obligations to respond, and it doesn't matter whos asking them , you , CEO of Ubisoft, or gods themselves, you don't even know if they speak english, and even if they did they are still not obliged to respond

[awolcz]

Exactly. Game has mechanics to boot players which are AFK for some period of time, but these people are using tools to avoid it. They ARE AFK, but make the game THINK THEY ARE NOT AFK. And from what I know, pretending something to get some advantage is fraud, therefore punishable.

[MassiveD.]

Exactly. Game has mechanics to boot players which are AFK for some period of time, but these people are using tools to avoid it. They ARE AFK, but make the game THINK THEY ARE NOT AFK. And from what I know, pretending something to get some advantage is fraud, therefore punishable.

So if someone is not afk, just holding down their Thumbstick to run around in circles for 16 hours straight - that's ok then?

[awolcz]

So if someone is not afk, just holding down their Thumbstick to run around in circles for 16 hours straight - that's ok then?

"Any conduct which interrupts the general flow of gameplay in the game client, forum, or any other Ubisoft medium is forbidden. This includes but is not limited to, spamming, advertising or soliciting other products."

Even holding a sticks 16 hours and running in circles interrupts general flow of gameplay and therefore is violation of code of conduct. It is same like killing teammates in other games. If you do it regularly - therefore interrupting general flow - you got banned.

[AveImperator85]

So if someone is not afk, just holding down their Thumbstick to run around in circles for 16 hours straight - that's ok then?

In sexual harassment cases, there is what is called the "Reasonable Person" clause. The behavior has to be within the realm of what a "reasonable person" would consider sexual harassment. ie: no reasonable person would claim sexual harassment by somebody who just said "good morning."

Ergo, no "reasonable person" would assume that anybody sits around just holding down their thumbstick to run around in circles for 16 hours straight. In such an instance, it's safe to assume they are AFK and gaming the system.