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[Zerxis001]

They. Do. Not. Care. If they did care, you would see one AFK person in a blue moon, not all the time.

Not sure I agree. The number seems to have diminished fairly significantly the last few days. More likely from some being fearful of a potential ban than actual bans. I live in a time zone where'd you'd expect to see it a lot more - definitely a decrease last night and Monday night over last week.

[RatedChaotic]

I suggest you read the Code of Conduct in the ToS more closely next time.

It clearly states...Doing anything that disrupts other players gameplay or using game design errors. Is against the ToS. This could easily fall into either category.

They are using a rubber band to mess with the games design or features. Therefore its against the ToS.

[MassiveD.]

I suggest you read the Code of Conduct in the ToS more closely next time.

I did, here:

http://forums.ubi.com/showthread.php...Conduct-Forums

and then here:

https://support.ubi.com/en-GB/faqs/000025938/


And there is not a single line of text within the CoC that classifies simply being AFK as a violation.

Botting / scripting - yes, being AFK - no.


That is why it's very important to get a statement from the officials regarding this, because why wouldn't people do it if if the game allows it and there is nothing in terms of service that prohibits it?

Apart from some delusional and subjective fantasies of morality.


edit:

"Doing anything that disrupts other players gameplay or using game design errors. Is against the ToS. This could easily fall into either category."

Rubbish, the concept of AFK is a core concept as old as gaming itself, sometimes you need to get up and leave, take a phone call, answer the door, it really doesn't matter, if you are stating that being AFK is "distrupting other players gameplay" , than eating a piece of pie while gaming should be punishable by criminal law becaue it prevents you from giving 100% imput thus disrupting the gameflow, lol, your statement is laughable, every single game has AFK players, the problem is not the players to begin with, the problem is lack of coding against staying afk, a simple no score - no rewards implementation would immediately solve the issue, this is so very clearly neither is the players fault nor their problem, and that's why I'm saying that we can debate if its wrong or right untill the cows come how, but only Ubisoft officials can put the argument to rest by releasing a clear statement on do they think that it's ok to do or everyone should cease and desist immediately.


The only reason I can come up with why they haven't on the very first day this became a problem, is that they either still haven't decided themselves, or they don't think this is a player issue to begin with and are working on a patch rather than play prosecution

[RatedChaotic]

Lmao....Omg man. Just do it then and see what happens....

[MassiveD.]

Lmao....Omg man. Just do it then and see what happens....

I really don't see why not, there's nothing officialy stating it's illegal

[TheRealNichivo]

I couldn't care less if it's right, wrong, nor if it melts the polar icecaps and drowns the baby bears, my question is if it's against Ubisofts Code of Conduct or not.

It's actually covered by Ubisoft's Terms of Service, in section 3.2. I imagine it is also covered in the games ToS, as well as xbox or psn ToS. They sometimes seem like they are worded rather vague, but that is by design. If you really do not understand the ToS and wish to change that. You could always take an intro class on Contract Law. It may prove to be very enlightening.

Short answer... Yes!

Relax, I am sure an Ubi rep, will be right along to say the same thing.

also under the CoC .... clear as day.

Exploitation of any new or known glitches or bugs which provide an unfair advantage over other players is forbidden and may result in character stats and progression resets, account suspension or revocation.

Hell just read that entire page it's actually covered 2 more times in the Disciplinary Policy section under examples.


Below are examples of behavior that could lead to your account being banned from playing online or restricting your access in other ways from the game:

Cheating / Modding / Hacking: Player is running a modified or otherwise unauthorized version of the game client or a third party software providing an unfair advantage (wallhacks, aimhacks…) or causing detriment to other players’ experience:
- Maximum penalty is permanent ban.
Offensive Language or Behavior / Threats: Posting or publishing (public forums, private chats or VOIP) any language or content that is in violation of this Code of Conduct
First offense: warning
Second offense: temporary suspension
Multiple offenses: forum account ban
Harassment: Harassing or serious bullying other players via verbal or written communications in and outside the game (public forum, private chats or VOIP)
First offense: warning
Second offense: temporary suspension
Multiple offenses: permanent ban
Exploiting: Triggering and using a bug or glitch, or bypassing established game rules by to gain a significant advantage or skip progression steps otherwise necessary.
First offense: character reset
Second offense: character reset and temporary suspension
Multiple offenses: permanent ban
Extent of a character reset will be decided at Ubisoft’s discretion, on a case by case basis
Duration of a suspension will be decided at Ubisoft’s discretion, on a case by case basis
Actual disciplinary action may differ from the list of examples depending on the severity of the behavior and shall be decided at Ubisoft’s discretion, on a case by case basis


Do you need me to point out the 2 that apply?

[MassiveD.]

It's actually covered by Ubisoft's Terms of Service, in section 3.2. I imagine it is also covered in the games ToS, as well as xbox or psn ToS. They sometimes seem like they are worded rather vague, but that is by design. If you really do not understand the ToS and wish to change that. You could always take an intro class on Contract Law. It may prove to be very enlightening.

Short answer... Yes!

Relax, I am sure an Ubi rep, will be right along to say the same thing.

Yes, "law" is what my masters degree has written on it, that's why I , unlike majority of people here, took my time to go over the available Code of Conduct, and didn't find a single line remotely describin the issue, that's why I've been asking on several different threads for an official response, because as I said, the only reason why developers haven't commented on this on day one - must be that they don't think it's a player issue to begin with, but rather a coding issue which they are probably working to fix on rather than procecuting players whom if you ask the Code of Conduct - are doing nothing wrong.

"Relax, I am sure an Ubi rep, will be right along to say the same thing."

I wish, I've been asking every day for one and a half week without replies

[RatedChaotic]

Any conduct that interfers with the general flow of gameplay ect ect.... Its in your link find it. I did. It can easily go into that category.....Nice try....

[AveImperator85]

It's not about simply "going afk." There's nothing wrong with going AFK, nobody is advocating that.

The problem is that people are intentionally circumventing the anti-AFK measures to get rewards while being AFK in an infinite loop. In a vacuum, nobody cares, but they're not in a vacuum, they are negatively impacting other players. It's the intentional dodging of anti-AFK measures that is the problem here.

[MassiveD.]

It's not about simply "going afk." There's nothing wrong with going AFK, nobody is advocating that.

The problem is that people are intentionally circumventing the anti-AFK measures to get rewards while being AFK in an infinite loop. In a vacuum, nobody cares, but they're not in a vacuum, they are negatively impacting other players. It's the intentional dodging of anti-AFK measures that is the problem here.

Again, rubbish, because you can't even prove that the person is afk to begin with, if somebody choses to stay woke 16 hours with a single button pressed down because that's the way he or she want's to play the game do they still deserves a ban?

I'm being quite serious here, how are you gonna proove that somebody i afk?

Running in circles for 16 horus straight is not necesaraly a sign of somebody being afk.


If you ever played League of Legends, players use to stay AFK out of spite if they didn't like their team mates or to be d*cks in general, being a d*ck is not a banable offence, being AFK - IS NOT, a banable offence, it simply can't be, it's not a part of ToS for very obvious reasons


You may think I'm being outlandish here, but I'm simply blowing holes through the gaps in your narrative, as this is very clearly not a player issue.