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[Tr1stesse]

Hi Guys

Am playing a PK (prestige 4/Item lvl 108) but am in need of playing something else.
It’s not that I don’t like my PK anymore, but it would be a shame to not test other hero’s as well since there are 12 hero's in total.
Also ... I really need to practice on counter gb en blocking, there for I was thinking of playing a second and more defensive hero.
Was thinking of trying the conqueror, but then I read on most of the forum and reviews that the conqueror is all the way at the bottom of the food chain.
So am wondering if hes worth picking up? if no, what hero is a good alternative?

[Kemorand]

Hi Guys

Am playing a PK (prestige 4/Item lvl 108) but am in need of playing something else.
It’s not that I don’t like my PK anymore, but it would be a shame to not test other hero’s as well.
Also ... I really need to practice on counter gb en blocking, there for I was thinking of playing a second and more defensive hero.
Was thinking of trying the conqueror, but then I read on most of the forum and reviews that the conqueror is all the way at the bottom of the food chain.
So am wondering if hes worth picking up? if no, what hero is a good alternative?

If you can play any other class than Conqueror, play that class. Only reason to play Conqueror right now, before patch, is that you just love it's style.

[Kharneth88]

People on the forums don't know what they're talking about. You can find anything on the forum.

I have a friend who is a conquerer who killed the entire enemy team by himself while both teams were breaking and he won the match. Had nothing to do with gear score either, as he's not rep3 yet. I know another conquerer who I've never met, but have played on his team randomly and recognized him later as an opponent (shout out to Toaster of Doom) who was very, very good.

People here will cry about anything rather than play. If you're like me and playing Peacekeeper on the Knights and would prefer to stick with the Knight classes, I'd recommend trying out the Conquerer before any other heavies. My favorite is the Warlord, but the conquerer is cool.

[ZenBearV13]

Conqueror is my favorite class. I have played it almost exclusively since it was released in closed alpha. As Kharneth88 said, a good Conq can wreck an entire team solo, but frankly that's true of any class in the right circumstances.

The fact is, coming from a PK you're downgrading no matter what class you try. At the highest levels of play, Conqueror is lacking. Our only safe way to play is to be passive and wait for parries/dodge into attacks to guarantee a shield bash>light attack.

That being said, the majority of players are not top tier. In Dominion especially you will have a lot of fun noob stomping and being a bully on the battlefield. Don't be ashamed of "spamming" Shield Bash, it's not unavoidable and therefore not cheese. It's our bread and butter.

[Peligrad]

I'd have a hard time recommending conq, being a conq main.

It isn't that the conq is bad. It's that gear balance and p2p servers are bad.

Conq has to play defensively. In 4v4 the pier to pier is just awful for missing frames. This makes your already small defense reaction windows even smaller. It makes stopping a light attack spammer nearly impossible.

It's so much easier to just be the assassin mindless spamming the light attacks than it is to be on the receiving end of it trying to pull off a parry to shift momentum.

You'll also probably notice that your light attacks get parried and blocked a lot more playing conq instead of PK.

18 frame light attacks are a lot easier to block and parry than the PK's 15-12 frame combo. PK's light attacks also deal more damage.

Heavies also generate a lot less revenge than assassins.... so if you are used to getting a half dozen revenges and tanking out the enemy team's damage when ganged up on, you'll also feel a lot more squishy playing a heavy... which is mind-boggling I know.

Also, your sprint speed is drastically reduced on heavy and the conq has no lunge attack. So you'll be going from the character that is the most amazing at chasing people down to the character who just can't...

So yeah... as long as you don't mind feeling gimped in nearly every imaginable way then you won't mind going from the PK to the conq.

But hey, you'll have 20 more max hp (you'll still only regen to the same 25 if you get low) and you'll be able to keep your block up in one direction indefinitely.

Everyone else can see which direction you are blocking and work around it, but it's something I suppose...

[Kharneth88]

Ignore Peligrad, he's a bad player.

[Aarpian]

If you can play any other class than Conqueror, play that class. Only reason to play Conqueror right now, before patch, is that you just love it's style.

I'd actually say the opposite - Conqueror is very strong but he's incredibly boring.

[Peligrad]

Ignore Peligrad, he's a bad player.

And what evidence do you have to support that claim?

Is it my 100% win rate in 1v1? Yes... you have a point there sir. I must be terrible.

Again... look at my post. Conqueror is a good class in a vacuum but it doesn't play out well outside of 1v1 and 2v2 formats.

P2P servers ARE BAD. In 4v4 the lack of servers is very noticeable in the form of missing frames.

The gear stats favor other classes over conqueror, so in formats where gear stats are turned on the conqueror becomes pretty bad.

Revenge favors other classes heavily. Conqueror can not force any other class to fight them when they have revenge. If the enemy conqueror gets revenge. RUN! There is nothing he can do about it unlike a PK or a warlord which sport great jump attacks that can chase you down and gap close constantly.

Conqueror has the lowest sustained DPS of any hero in the game except maybe lawbringer. So you aren't going to be able to break the shield of a revenge spammer when gear stats are turned on.

Conqueror has the weakest disables of any heavy character. So literally any other heavy is going to be able to shut down other people's revenges better than you in a team fight situation.

These are just factual truthful things. Not whiny butthurt opinion.

Saying I'm a bad player when I'm speaking the entire truth is just ridiculous.

If you want to have a class that excels in every single format. Stick to PK.

If you want to have a class that excels in 4v4, don't play conq because they are pretty lackluster in a team fight sadly due to their lack of dps and their weak disables compared to say a shugoki.

If you want to play conq in 1v1 or 2v2. Well it's pretty ok there. It's certainly not the number 1 hero in that format but it's competitively viable.

[ZenBearV13]

And what evidence do you have to support that claim?

Is it my 100% win rate in 1v1? Yes... you have a point there sir. I must be terrible.

Kharnath is of course committing the ad hominem fallacy, so by no means am I backing him up here. However my question is, does leaving a Duel after you've lost the third round count as a loss? If not, win/loss rates are BS.

[Peligrad]

Kharnath is of course committing the ad hominem fallacy, so by no means am I backing him up here. However my question is, does leaving a Duel after you've lost the third round count as a loss? If not, win/loss rates are BS.

I don't know.

Can't say I've ever experimented with doing this.

But win rates are kind of BS anyway since your wins vs AIs are included in your overall.

If I had a better metric I'd use that instead.