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[Kharneth88]

Can we make a list of classes that do and do not have guaranteed top heavies prior to a guard break?

My Peacekeeper can't even get side heavies, much less top heavies, during a guard break without an enemy blocking it, but I'm constantly getting top heavied. I think it's because I click up to block too soon, but that's not really the issue that concerns me. Far too often Orochis are getting free top heavies on me, though I swear I was always getting blocked when I was playing Orochi.

Which classes get a guaranteed top heavy during the guard break and which do not? Please only answer if you know for sure, and not just out of a speculation.

[SnugglesIV]

Here is the list of classes I know so far:

Warlord: Free top heavy
Nobushi: Free top heavy
Raider: No free heavy
Orochi: Free top heavy
Lawbringer: No free heavy
Kensei: No free heavy
Shugoki: Free heavy with Demon Ball

If you get thrown into a wall and stagger (ie. not Raider running you into a wall), you will always get hit by a free heavy however the direction does change depending on who the class is. I think some need to already be in this stance in order to get their free heavies.

Somebody correct me if I'm wrong.

[My.Insanity]

Warden get guaranteed side heavys ... but if they push you into a Wall they can use top heavy
Warlord get guaranteed top heavy
Orochi get guaranteed top heavy

not sure about the other Chars.. if you want to know look at the "Guides" or use the Class in practice mode against lvl 3 Bots they will block if they can.

[Peligrad]

Conq gets side heavies but only sometimes.

It is enragingly inconsistent due to this game's garbage p2p servers.

I'm pretty sure that lawbringer gets a free side heavy as well (but not top). So does Kensei I'm fairly sure.

I think Raider is the only class that doesn't get a free heavy attack of some sort.

Raider and Conq get screwed on GBs. Raider doesn't get a heavy attack and Conq's only does 23 damage which isn't fatal after regen.

[Kharneth88]

Conq gets side heavies but only sometimes.

It is enragingly inconsistent due to this game's garbage p2p servers.

I'm pretty sure that lawbringer gets a free side heavy as well (but not top). So does Kensei I'm fairly sure.

I think Raider is the only class that doesn't get a free heavy attack of some sort.

Raider and Conq get screwed on GBs. Raider doesn't get a heavy attack and Conq's only does 23 damage which isn't fatal after regen.

They aren't the only ones. At least the Raider can run off with you and knee you in the face.

My Peacekeeper gets blocked on top and side heavies. My stab is bugged and does no damage. AND I can't throw for ****. So, basically, the only reason to do it is for the ability to bide my time or to throw into a wall for a top heavy lunge. But that only works if the wall is close enough for the throw but not too close because I need the guy to stumble into the wall after a quick second or else he'll recuperate too soon.

I'm not so concerned about the side heavies, though. I was only interested in who gets the free top heavies.

[SnugglesIV]

Conq gets side heavies but only sometimes.

It is enragingly inconsistent due to this game's garbage p2p servers.

I'm pretty sure that lawbringer gets a free side heavy as well (but not top). So does Kensei I'm fairly sure.

I think Raider is the only class that doesn't get a free heavy attack of some sort.

Raider and Conq get screwed on GBs. Raider doesn't get a heavy attack and Conq's only does 23 damage which isn't fatal after regen.

Raider can get a free heavy IF he throws you into a wall. This does not count carrying someone all the way into a wall and doing the stun. I've never seen a Lawbringer get a free heavy (again, unless he throws you into a wall). It might be that I've been playing against **** Lawbringers, but all of his heavy attacks are so slow. Kensei doesn't get a free heavy top, however I don't know if he can get free side heavies. I might be wrong though.

[Extropy]

Peacekeeper gets the 3 stabs (currently bugged) but doesn't get a free heavy

[SnugglesIV]

They aren't the only ones. At least the Raider can run off with you and knee you in the face.

My Peacekeeper gets blocked on top and side heavies. My stab is bugged and does no damage. AND I can't throw for ****. So, basically, the only reason to do it is for the ability to bide my time or to throw into a wall for a top heavy lunge. But that only works if the wall is close enough for the throw but not too close because I need the guy to stumble into the wall after a quick second or else he'll recuperate too soon.

I'm not so concerned about the side heavies, though. I was only interested in who gets the free top heavies.

I'm pretty sure PK can GB, bleed stab once, throw player into a wall and then lunging heavy (provided you have the stamina for it and they get staggered from hitting the wall). I swear I've seen a PK streamer do this but I might be remembering incorrectly.

[Kharneth88]

I'm pretty sure PK can GB, bleed stab once, throw player into a wall and then lunging heavy (provided you have the stamina for it and they get staggered from hitting the wall). I swear I've seen a PK streamer do this but I might be remembering incorrectly.

Yes, they can. I do it all the time, but it doesn't always work because:

a) If the wall is too close the enemy will hit the wall too soon and recover from the staggered effect soon enough to block the top heavy lunge, or
b) The wall is too far away and the PKs throw is terribly short.

The only time it works is when the wall is more than a couple feet away but less than about 5-6 feet. When the stab gets fixed it'll be better, though it'll be a little boring with only a single option. It'd be nice if we could get a free side or top heavy in addition to the stab option. Once it gets fixed prepare yourself to be grabbed n' stabbed by every Peacekeeper you ever fight.

[SAVAGE_CABBAGE1]

Here is the list of classes I know so far:

Warlord: Free top heavy
Nobushi: Free top heavy
Raider: No free heavy
Orochi: Free top heavy
Lawbringer: No free heavy
Kensei: No free heavy
Shugoki: Free heavy with Demon Ball

If you get thrown into a wall and stagger (ie. not Raider running you into a wall), you will always get hit by a free heavy however the direction does change depending on who the class is. I think some need to already be in this stance in order to get their free heavies.

Somebody correct me if I'm wrong.

Kensei, free top heavy
Lawbringer, free side heavy