Berserker chain spam with fakes and GB | Forums

[Bob__Gnarly]

Honestly I think zerkers are fine until you turn gear stats and feats on.

The most ridiculous thing about zerkers is the revenge they are able to generate.

If you are both playing your character skillfully on Elimination, the zerker will get his revenge in a 1v1 situation. This is ridiculous and needs to be fixed.

If you try to team up on a zerker. He will be able to spam revenge after revenge after revenge.

Revenge spamming is so overpowered that it forces everyone to build for revenge spamming AND it forces you to build full attack because otherwise you can't do anything against a revenge spammer's defense and shielding.

Revenge spamming is a huge issue and zerkers just happen to be one of two classes (the PK being the other) who can abuse it to its full potential.

Why is revenge just a zerker issue? It's a game issue, not just a problem with zerkers, who I don't even think benefit from it as much as some other classes.

[Avean]

If you take away the berserker chain spam? What good are they? I am asking as a Orochi player. I feel Berserker is lacking ALOT compared to Orochi and you guys want to remove the only thing he have?

[SF_JHawk373]

It's predominantly an assassin issue which I am fully guilty of taking part in as an assassin class. Orochi's, Berserkers and PK's can build a heavy Revenge gained by injury build which is a nightmare in Skirmish modes. We can take a few hits, block one more and get back to back Revenges. Where as a heavy will mainly gain revenge on defence which isn't bad but if you are playing against a good t4eam then they will just guard break and heavy attack you so you can't build revenge.

I've been on both sides and I agree it needs a fix whether it's a cool down on revenge or something

[Bob__Gnarly]

If you take away the berserker chain spam? What good are they? I am asking as a Orochi player. I feel Berserker is lacking ALOT compared to Orochi and you guys want to remove the only thing he have?

Sadly zerker doesn't have much if we're talking about high level play. I persisted with him until almost prestige 2 before I finally shelved him, which sucks because I like the idea behind him. Unfortunately infinite chain, his unique trait is useless at high levels, it's only useful for destroying noobs. He does the most damage when you string combos together which just doesn't happen against decent opponents. The only way you can make him work is by feinting constantly, but this can be done with most classes. His deflects can be handy for ultimate punish damage and his side attacks work okay against average players, but in the end, he's too much work for me and I just get frustrated trying to play him against good opponents.

[TheRevanchist27]

Parry him

Can't do that, he has stagger on every hit so your guard change is gonna be delayed.

[Barzah]

If you take away the berserker chain spam? What good are they? I am asking as a Orochi player. I feel Berserker is lacking ALOT compared to Orochi and you guys want to remove the only thing he have?

chain is still viable on higher bracket, you just gonna have to use it on different way

[SethUnleashed]

you mean THIS type of berserker right (https://youtu.be/0_WdpauVhYM)

congratulations, you just fought a competent zerker and that is quite rare nowadays

i have tried to make this style of play work and there is one thing i can tell you: it doesnt at high level play.

as soon as people see that you play with lots of feints, they just wait to block your lights which shuts you down hard.

you also cant use this sort of play against certain classes.
warden and PK for example have faster attacks and will hit you first (****ing zone-attack and light attack spammers).

i have managed to kill people from 100 to 0 with one chein of feints and lights but it rarely happens.

what you see in that video is either footage against lower-skill players or selected wins but that is not how berserker gameplay looks like in higher skill play, i guarantee you that.

[Barzah]

i have tried to make this style of play work and there is one thing i can tell you: it doesnt at high level play.

as soon as people see that you play with lots of feints, they just wait to block your lights which shuts you down hard.

you also cant use this sort of play against certain classes.
warden and PK for example have faster attacks and will hit you first (****ing zone-attack and light attack spammers).

i have managed to kill people from 100 to 0 with one chein of feints and lights but it rarely happens.

what you see in that video is either footage against lower-skill players or selected wins but that is not how berserker gameplay looks like in higher skill play, i guarantee you that.

well idk about your "high level play" standard is but those people on vids are on prestige 2++ (sometimes even like 10) and based from their reaction (parry attempt), they are not those type of people who relied on gear to win a fight (Also rosario pv is a good warden, you let him free for couple second and he will rekt you inside out). Again, on those video i already said about option + an advice to CONTROL YOUR CHAIN which doesn't mean you have to keep feinting after 1st light. Sometimes you can let it go, sometimes you can go for gb, or other times you can just keep doing light spam followed by heavy feint in a middle. In the end, it's all about mindgame, and you can't let your opponent know what are you going to do.

Also if you take a really good look, sometimes i time my attack couple milisecond faster than my opponent. yes that is intended and it counter even the fastest attack out there (probably not PK ZA but you can still outgunned warden za with that). Yes it's a frigin gamble, yes method is technically a suicide run, but it works, while at the same time lower your opponent will to retaliate. Plus this method is pretty much aggressive, which is make it fun to watch, instead of those "turtle style" gameplay which outmatch watching the paint dry in term of boredom.

So im really curious about what does berserker do in your "higher skill of play" looks like. Pls do enlighten us

[KotoKuraken]

The problem with Berserker is this:
1) He can spam light attacks going left and right and left and right endlessly, and most characters literally cannot switch blocks fast enough to even deflect them, and trying to parry without having the block stance change only results in your character bending over and asking for it.

2) If he GBs you, his zone attack with get at least 3 hits in on you before your character can respond and start blocking some of the attacks. He can spam it over and over and over again, and you can't get away because GB will track you. This is horribly bad after a parry because you cannot stop GB at this point

[MrForz]

The problem with Berserker is this:
1) He can spam light attacks going left and right and left and right endlessly, and most characters literally cannot switch blocks fast enough to even deflect them, and trying to parry without having the block stance change only results in your character bending over and asking for it.

He's like, the slowest of assassins, you can parry his light attacks more reliably than others. "Most" of characters are like 3, out of the 12, and lastly it's just a lie. I'll understand that a PK doing this is a problem, but if you make a classic inifinite chain with Berserker against decent people they will destroy you.

2) If he GBs you, his zone attack with get at least 3 hits in on you before your character can respond and start blocking some of the attacks. He can spam it over and over and over again, and you can't get away because GB will track you. This is horribly bad after a parry because you cannot stop GB at this point

If that man GBs you and then uses zone attack he's going to have what, 30% of his stamina left? That's not spammable by ANY means man.