Is there anyway to punish Conqueror Shield Bash? | Forums

[Capoupacap]

Yeah I totally agree !!! The big deal with dash attack (same for hersir and peacekeeper "We are going for a long run through the map and finish in the pit") is that it should stay on the line ! How something so heavy can turn on you in the air.

[Grimmyke]

Out of all the cheese, you have problems with a shieldbashing conquerer? You do know you can easily and quite literally dodge circles around a shieldbasher right?
Don't know if you can hop into a custom fight with a buddy who will spam the shield bash for you untill you get the dodge timing down, but if you do that will be the end of your conquerer troubles.

[Peligrad]

Being predictable isn't a weakness if what you always use has no counter-play or punishment. There's a reason Conquerors see so much abuse in tournaments, right now.

A conqueror isn't invulnerable during shield bash.

You just can't respond to it for a free hit like you can many other moves.

But if you predict a shield bash you can strike him mid animation and deal damage to him.

The conq also has to either do a heavy attack, go into all block stance or dodge before he can perform a shield bash.

So if you parry the heavy or GB him during the dodge then he doesn't get to shield bash at all and you get a free hit on him because the GB is uncounterable in both those situations.

Conq might have a showing in the tournies, but he isn't top tier. I don't think a conq has even ever won a major tourny.

So this talk about nerfing him is plain daft.

[Aarpian]

A conqueror isn't invulnerable during shield bash.

You just can't respond to it for a free hit like you can many other moves.

But if you predict a shield bash you can strike him mid animation and deal damage to him.

The conq also has to either do a heavy attack, go into all block stance or dodge before he can perform a shield bash.

So if you parry the heavy or GB him during the dodge then he doesn't get to shield bash at all and you get a free hit on him because the GB is uncounterable in both those situations.

Conq might have a showing in the tournies, but he isn't top tier. I don't think a conq has even ever won a major tourny.

So this talk about nerfing him is plain daft.

I won the 2v2 tourney with CuteAnimeGirl on Warlord.
I came 2nd in the next 1v1 tourney, to CuteAnimeGirl on Warlord, after it went to the last round
I got quarter finals in the last 2 1v1 tourneys and both times got knocked out by the winner Petemoo on Warlord. In fact the only people who have ever knocked me out of tournaments on my conqueror are Warlords who win the tournament.

In all of this I was playing conqueror.

[Kemorand]

Amazing that out of all these nobody ever videoed anything, especially in today's world and all that.

[Aidames]

Being predictable isn't a weakness if what you always use has no counter-play or punishment. There's a reason Conquerors see so much abuse in tournaments, right now.

But it does have counterplay. You dodge it, or you strike/GB proactively.

Shield Bash always has a prerequisite. The Conqueror has to do one of the following before performing a Shield Bash:

- Sprint towards the opponent (for the Shield Crush)
- Dodge in a direction
- Land a successful heavy attack
- Enter Full Guard mode

Without these things, Shield Bash simply does not exist. If you would like to practice, I'd be more than happy to 1v1 you and see if there really is an issue here - assuming you play on PC.

[Peligrad]

I won the 2v2 tourney with CuteAnimeGirl on Warlord.
I came 2nd in the next 1v1 tourney, to CuteAnimeGirl on Warlord, after it went to the last round
I got quarter finals in the last 2 1v1 tourneys and both times got knocked out by the winner Petemoo on Warlord. In fact the only people who have ever knocked me out of tournaments on my conqueror are Warlords who win the tournament.

In all of this I was playing conqueror.

Don't get me wrong. I've heard you're a good player and all but what you are saying is that conqueror is second tier in a format no one gives a fu(k about and warlord is top tier.

Yup, that's pretty much what I just said.

Where did this idea that the game should be balanced for 1v1 come from anyway?
That's not what this game was ever sold as. If you ever did manage to make all the characters balanced in a 1v1 then the character with the best team fighting is just strictly the best. And that honestly is a bigger problem than one character having a very small 1v1 advantage.

I bought this game to play 4v4 with friends. And in 4v4 conq is very far from being OP.

If they want to improve our damage and speed up our attacks so that we can be stronger in 4v4 I wouldn't mind at all if they nerfed shield slam a little.

But if you nerf shield slam and leave conqs the slowest and least damaging character in the game... you might as well just remove him from the character select screen.

Conq is already one of the lowest picked characters in the game. It's not like the PK where you can expect to have 2 in every single match without fail.

The lawbringer is supposedly the worst character in the game, but you'll run into 2 lawbringers for every conq you run into in 4v4.

Between Conq and Kensei I'm not sure which character is least represented but I'm sure it is pretty close.

[Aarpian]

Don't get me wrong. I've heard you're a good player and all but what you are saying is that conqueror is second tier in a format no one gives a fu(k about and warlord is top tier.

Apparently you give a ****, since I was responding directly to this comment from you:

Conq might have a showing in the tournies, but he isn't top tier. I don't think a conq has even ever won a major tourny.

[Aidames]

IMHO there are no major tournaments for this game yet...

[Peligrad]

Apparently you give a ****, since I was responding directly to this comment from you:

I don't...

The context of this thread is 1v1. Which is a useless format in terms of the health of this game.

If I cared about 1v1 I would actually care enough to look up which classes won and hence I wouldn't have to lean on hear-say and say "I don't think".

Very few people give a fu(k about 1v1.

Go que for one. It will say "very low activity" every single time.

Now que for Dominion. "Very high activity".

Elimination "High activity"

Skirmish "High activity"

4v4 is what sells this game. Not 1v1.

So why Ubisoft wastes so much time focusing on 1v1 while their player-base abandons the game due to the horribad state of 4v4 is just perplexing and further proves that the leadership of this game need to be released from their duties and replaced with a team that is competent.

If there ever will be a major tourny it will be a 4v4 tourny. Not a 1v1 tourny. Because again no one gives a fu(k about 1v1.

But as long as this game runs on P2P no serious gaming sponsor is going to take this game seriously enough to sponsor a team.