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[SiewcaRaka]

It was ...and suports a comment I made earlier about why 80% it's stupid to gank a high rep hero and let them get revenge the problem is no one gank's for reason or at the right time for ganking they just mindlessly do it every game no strategy just attack till I die or they die they don't play anything out they just run like chickens with no heads if you try fighting someone and you can't win then u gank OK sure they're better then you and u gave it ur all but accept it has you not having the skill to win and too scared to try again don't come back with 3 friend's then say I suck at the game because it took 4 of them to kill me...and the video was more about winning a war If the 12 kill the 3 in the video then claim they where better swordsmen it'd be like this game but they don't they know the enemy is better so they use those tactics they don't claim to be better sswordsmen after

Have you watched this? You need to learn how to play as team.

[Arekonator]

Have you watched this? You need to learn how to play as team.

Indeed, ganging up on someone without actually getting into each others way is a skill that isnt seen around very much.

[slim147]

Projection is a terrible thing. No one said ganking is the only possible way, except you. You are also assuming that just because some people accept that in 4v4 mode they might face multiple opponents at once, instead of making whiny thread at forum and wanting to enforce duels into 4v4 that they are unskilled. That people lack skill and "honour" because they actually play game to win. Sure, sometimes it gets frustrating to fight 1v3 constantly but thats what you should expect when you log into 4v4, and if you dont, its your own fault. Man the F* up!

I never once said ganking is the only way to win actually my post is abuot people using other was to win and not ganking

I'm sayin add a ****ing rank based on some sort of skill I accept the 3v1 and can kill at least 2 of them 40%I want to play against skill, good people, ganking isn't a skill Ill say it again if a lvl 1 can gank just as well as a rep4 it's not a skill you're trying to act like it's a skill or it makes you good ganking isnt playing as a team...it's the same as corner camping in cod yeah sure you went 10 and 1 but u did it by playing like a ***** and its not a skill to wait for someone to run into a room and just switching corners

my kda is over 2.00 and my win ratio is 72.23% Im not bad at defending till revenge on a 4v1...I've seen 3 pieces of garbage all attacking a rep5 while he literally blocked every attack my team threw until he got revenge and he wiped them why did they do this they werent thinking they where mindless and think gang =win and it doesnt...it's smarter to fight 1v1 against high re's it prevents revenge and if you lose its one death not three..my problems no one thinks strategic in this game they just think killand they think ganking's the way to go a rank system would but the ones who understand when to 1v1 when to 4v1 because certain people might rely on recvenge and thrive when it's 3v1 and some hero's like shugoki u might need to gank I'm not saying take ganking out I'm saying rank people on there performance if all there kills are gank kills theyre just running in mindlessly attackin till someone dies then turn around and claim skill is ridiculous

[Archo-Vax]

Mate- I GET where you're coming from, and I mostly agree with you... but it would behoove you to learn some fu|cking grammar.

[slim147]

Mate- I GET where you're coming from, and I mostly agree with you... but it would behoove you to learn some fu|cking grammar.

It's my phone if I spell word and remove the D then add it back it acts like I spelling a new word and will and stuff to it like wordo

[forrest0755]

I am not 100% pro gank. It is incredibly annoying when a teammate just charges in spamming attacks, hitting you instead, and breaking your combos. There are tactics to whether or not you should gang up. And tactics to how you should do it. One, if someone is on a narrow passageway, and you are both coming from the same side, don't both attack, cause you will just get into each other's way. I was on one of the narrow bridges in Cathedral I think it was., and had a guy in front of me and a teammate behind me, My teammate swings, hits me, which opens me up to have my guard broken, and I get tossed off the bridge. The people who just mindlessly gang up, and keep getting blocked, and let the other person build up revenge quickly, lack both skill and tactics. But there are people who know how and when to gang up. How to flank around the guy and get him while they try to attack the other teammate. How to assess whether or not they should gang up. Sometimes, it is best to let the person be distracted in a fight, while you go elsewhere. If my team is breaking, I will let myself get ganged up on, just stall, and let my team capture territories so we can rally. The other team is making a mistake in ganging up then when they should be focused on keeping us from rallying. It would have been best to trust in 1 person to kill me. There are a ton of tactics involved in the 4v4 modes. However sadly its hard to coordinate with your team if most don't talk. Which is why I prefer to play in a group, so we can all chat and coordinate. Thankfully, there are times where I am on a team random team that just seems to have an unspoken connection. I get sick of hearing duelists say others have no skill, when they end up lost in a 4v4, and just get infuriated when they are ganged up on. That video describes the situation perfectly.

[slim147]

I am not 100% pro gank. It is incredibly annoying when a teammate just charges in spamming attacks, hitting you instead, and breaking your combos. There are tactics to whether or not you should gang up. And tactics to how you should do it. One, if someone is on a narrow passageway, and you are both coming from the same side, don't both attack, cause you will just get into each other's way. I was on one of the narrow bridges in Cathedral I think it was., and had a guy in front of me and a teammate behind me, My teammate swings, hits me, which opens me up to have my guard broken, and I get tossed off the bridge. The people who just mindlessly gang up, and keep getting blocked, and let the other person build up revenge quickly, lack both skill and tactics. But there are people who know how and when to gang up. How to flank around the guy and get him while they try to attack the other teammate. How to assess whether or not they should gang up. Sometimes, it is best to let the person be distracted in a fight, while you go elsewhere. If my team is breaking, I will let myself get ganged up on, just stall, and let my team capture territories so we can rally. The other team is making a mistake in ganging up then when they should be focused on keeping us from rallying. It would have been best to trust in 1 person to kill me. There are a ton of tactics involved in the 4v4 modes. However sadly its hard to coordinate with your team if most don't talk. Which is why I prefer to play in a group, so we can all chat and coordinate. Thankfully, there are times where I am on a team random team that just seems to have an unspoken connection. I get sick of hearing duelists say others have no skill, when they end up lost in a 4v4, and just get infuriated when they are ganged up on. That video describes the situation perfectly.

Youre right sometimes you have to gank and but most times you shouldnt, ganking should be the last resort and should start happening towards the end of the match it's sad when u play a round of elimination and round 1 a raider just turns and runs before he even knows if he can beat you or not to go get a couple hit's on a gank before you catch up to em people should want to prove they can beat someone without help it's satisfying when youre fighting a skilled opponent and win then instantly start fighting the next with half health going all out to get the victory and even if the second person kills you you feel good about how close you came to winning like you could have won

And how you brought up getting hit by teammates most people don't even consider when they hit u it chips your health it's like wtf I've been in 1 v1 and a teamates hits me more then the opponent lol I'd say at least 70%of players in skirmish mindlessly attack the same target with 80%of their attacks getting blocked causeing a revenge leading to there death we need a way to get some sort of matching based on something so everyone gets matched with similar skilled players

[Mathonn]

The problem continues to be that people try to directly equate honor with respect, but they're different words for a reason (and you can check multiple dictionaries with multiple definitions in each just to get a small sampling), and then try to use the word to define a concept that is not static.

If you're playing by your code and that code says fight alone or you dishonor yourself, then you teaming up is dishonorable.

If my code doesn't require me to fight alone, then teaming up is not.

The whole point being that your code is not my code, which is not everybody else's code, so your judgement of what is or is not honorable is irrelevant. Personal values determine how you demonstrate and view honor, and while society generally affects what individuals value, and may uphold a general moral code, it does not define your personal code.

[slim147]

The problem continues to be that people try to directly equate honor with respect, but they're different words for a reason (and you can check multiple dictionaries with multiple definitions in each just to get a small sampling), and then try to use the word to define a concept that is not static.

If you're playing by your code and that code says fight alone or you dishonor yourself, then you teaming up is dishonorable.

If my code doesn't require me to fight alone, then teaming up is not.

The whole point being that your code is not my code, which is not everybody else's code, so your judgement of what is or is not honorable is irrelevant. Personal values determine how you demonstrate and view honor, and while society generally affects what individuals value, and may uphold a general moral code, it does not define your personal code.

Honor is respect in every sense of the word
Here's the definition's for you

HONOR -noun
1.
high respect; esteem.
"his portrait hangs in the place of honor"
synonyms: distinction, recognition, privilege, glory, kudos, cachet, prestige, merit, credit; More
2.
a privilege.
"the great poet of whom it is my honor to speak tonight"
synonyms: privilege, pleasure, pride, joy; More

HONOR-verb
1.
regard with great respect.
"Joyce has now learned to honor her father's memory"
synonyms: esteem, respect, admire, defer to, look up to; More
2.
fulfill (an obligation) or keep (an agreement).
"make sure the franchisees honor the terms of the contract"
synonyms: fulfill, observe, keep, obey, heed, follow, carry out, discharge, implement, execute, effect;

Explain how honors different from respect then...their different words for a reason youre right, to have honor is to have high or great respect for something, you do it For Honor, For Respect

[Mathonn]

I really do get tired of trying to explain this to people whose only retort is to google the word and grab at the first definition set that pops up, and then focus on the single definition that helps their case, particularly when it is a one word definition, and not the correct usage. Unfortunately for the English language as represented on the internet, most dictionaries are abridged so it benefits you to dig deeper into the definition of the word and find more complete definitions with examples that are accurate to the usage.

You're taking a simplistic definition and trying to pin it a complex concept. Try the Oxford English Dictionary and take a look at definition 2.

"Adherence to what is right or to a conventional standard of conduct."

That is relatively close to the concept of honor that most people using the game's name as an argument are actually using, and it is not the same as "respect" although respect certainly has possible inclusion as "what is right".

Being honorable is acting WITH honor, with adherence to, in effect, a code of conduct. The trouble being that, as I keep trying to point out, that code is not the same for everyone, outside the code of conduct we are obligated to follow by signing up for the game (or PSN, Live, etc.) Teaming up, using environment, back stabbing are all legitimate parts of gameplay and not subject to that code. It is thus a personal code that you are using to force a definition of what honor is on everyone else.

The standard reply of "it's for honor, not with honor" is more closely using definitions like 3.1

"A thing conferred as a distinction, especially an official award for bravery or achievement"

That "thing" being conferred could, like the first definition I used, include respect. The ability for respect to bridge that gap leads to the exclusion of those definitions from abridged dictionaries, but as you can clearly see it is far from a complete definition.

The phrase "For honor and glory" generally refers to those sorts of distinctions.

Does all of this make sense? By all means live by a code and revel in the +10 renown you get for "honorable kills", but it does not and should not elevate you to a point of moral high ground. And more to the point, you do a disservice to that code by trying to separate yourself from those that don't follow a similar code. Trying to maintain your own code in the face of those that don't hold the same values is, in theory, quite honorable.