[Matchmaking] I do not enjoy this game anymore in PvP | Forums

[Haaadas]

It seems one more game is destroyed by Ubisoft !

[BecausePandas]

If the game had a purely skill based matchmaking system, then why is it that despite many players best efforts, no one has found a way to find a skill level indicator. If gear level, prestige level, and number of games played do not equate to a players "skill level" (which is one of the four things that matchmaking searches for games with). If they want to sell the game on a "skill level based gameplay" model. They need to implement an actual skill level system. Dota 2 and league of legends have done so for years. more than 7 of them in fact. And despite popular belief, those systems work.

I'll present my case on it. Dota 2, im set at a 1400 MMR level. Thats... average... for a casual player. I originally got that score when i was within my 1st 100 hours of game play. Decided i'd go play ranked since i had a 'handle' on the mechanics. fast forward 900 hours, and im given a chance to wipe that mmr score clean, get a new one in a separate queue I do so, 10 games into this new ranked queue and i got my new MMR. 1500. My score didn't change because i didnt actually improve my game play. Their system noted this. Total assists, kills, deaths, objectives, gold per minute, exp per minute, and total last hits on 'creeps'. The game actually factored how i played into that score.

For honor doesnt. Their MMR system is hidden, unseeable, and NOT based on reputation, gear, or win rates as far as players can tell... because we cant tell. We just cant. Yet this "Gaming" company remains silent. They dont answer their community except with corporate drones disguised as fellow players, legal jargon inside their EULA, and non-answers in their support tickets. This game has a LOT less data to comb through for a comprehensive MMR system than dota, by a long shot. Wins, overall character levels, and overall gear levels.

Thats all i can think of that they'd need. Maybe I'm wrong on one or two things here but by and large, this game's matchmaking is the joke of the gaming community as a whole. I wont rant on about how gamers feel about the P2P on this. it's been beat to death with a stick, and for good reason. I want to enjoy this game. I do. And i'll keep trying, but just like Ford, im never buying an Ubisoft product again

[Thel..]

Matchmaking seems off, but game has only been out a fwe weeks. Not a few years. These points will be addressed at somepoint. It's not a horrible situation it's an annoyance.

[Xhyle]

there's no MM for now I think, I've been into a game a lot with higher prestige and my team was none! Even me!

[RatedChaotic]

WTF.... thats untrue. Read my Post above.

When you can spend real money for gear that improves stats on your character without playing the game......Thats pay to win...Smoke another one bro or chicky

[Gray360UK]

Most definitely not the biggest pvp game on the planet and a moot point because you can not switch a character on the fly. I hope this was meant ironic. Yeah that was definitely ironic.

So does evading the point mean you don't have a real answer?

It has millions of players, not a couple of 100 thousand, but that's another matter, part of your evading.
I didn't realise the topic was how big is WoW?
It dwarfs For Honor, no matter what you say, and has had level based PvP brackets for nearly 10 years.

I could list at least a dozen more of the biggest titles available that also use level based PvP matchmaking.

Also, you queue up with a character, what do you mean switch characters on the fly?
Nothing is moot. I queue with my level 10 Rogue, I queue with my level 10 Peacekeeper.

So, do you actually have anything sensible to add or is your entire response tactic to pick pedantically at individual words whilst avoiding the subject? (aka trolling).

[Zemus-]

When you can spend real money for gear that improves stats on your character without playing the game......Thats pay to win...Smoke another one bro or chicky

No it's NOT. People, Pay to WIn means there are things available for purchase with REAL MONEY that cannot be obtained in the game itself for free. Boosts are NOT pay to win, are they annoying? Yes but anyone can obtain 108 without spending money with little effort.

I am about to hit Prestige 3 on one of my characters today. I have 14 Premium loot boxes ready to open for having played the Single Player and getting the collectables and 2 for the Gold Edition. You got 3500 Steel for doing the tutorials, You got 5000 for beating the Single Player, You get 600 a day from Daily's and 600 From Semi Daily's, I am sitting on 20,000 steel and 14 unopened boxes without spending any money

Steel while looking slow even for a casual it shouldn't be hard to get 25,000 a month just for doing the daily's and playing the game itself very little.

The real issue this game has is the Matchmaking system, it's broken and has made the game not fun at all for the casual player which is the most important player in the game they make up the vast majority of the playerbase and are being destroyed right now and that is not fair or balanced. It needs to be fixed YESTERDAY and as long as Ubisoft continues to ignore and say nothing after 2 weeks now this game will be dead in a matter of weeks, NOT MONTHS.

[Bananaplaya77]

First of all I love this game but i agree that you cant play any other hero except of your "main".
I have an prestige 1 orochi and when i want to level up my warden it is pretty much inpossible because you play against other players that are prestige 6 and with their gear level of 108. Sometimes they kill me with one single heavy attackin my opinion that´s just stupid and it makes me loose the fun i had when i played this game.

[dayLockey]

I'm on both sides of the fence on this one.

First off, I agree the matchmaking in 4Honor is pretty abysmal. It's the game randomly takes 8 people and just chucks them into a server without so much as a first glance to see what their level/item level/skill level is. I've had plenty of games where I was playing an alt and been paired against a full group of prestige 5+ with full gold. It's not fun but at the same time if I don't like it I can always leave since there is no leaver penalty and no reason for players to stay if they don't want to.

Secondly, aside from the very frequent amount of imbalanced matches, I have played a countless amount of balanced, extremely fun matches in both DM and Dom. So much fun that it compensates for the bad games that I have played. It's a contrast of interest I'm sure as some players have a higher tolerance for defeat than others.

Lastly, people who want to quit in the first couple of weeks due to other players out-progressing them; good riddance. If you are a casual player and you know it, don't expect to "compete" in competitive online games. It just isn't your scene. I don't care if you think that companies should cater to your playstyle by matching you with evenly casual players, or that you should feel like you're being rewarded for your time in game. I don't care if you feel like a detriment to your team. I don't care if you want a refund.

If you can't hang in 4Honor, or any online competitive game for that matter due to your inability to stay on the competitive side of things, then that's your fault. If you have a limited amount of time to play, then you should be prepared to be on the receiving end of a beat down. Till then, gear up, play against bots in Dom (easy way to level and get gear) and come back when you are ready to compete. It's really as simple as that.

[Hackfraysn]

Sorry for the late reply guys. Decided to spend the entire day with my GF and family rather than deus vulting on the battlefields and the forums.

Yep, actually this game is PAY TO WIN !
the guys runnin around with 108 gear score bought the premium boxes to level up their gear. at least they should been matches with other 108er characters, matchmaking isn't fair at all ...

For Honor has many issues, but the game isn't really that bad when it comes to pay 2 win. I've seen things way worse in other games. The DLC in For Honor is obnoxiously overpriced but the good thing is that you don't have to buy it.

same here man...went skiing for a week, came back, i'm lvl 13 prestige 0, against people geared lvl 80 to 108. And Dominion is my favorite mode, which i can't play anymore because I get mostly two shots.

It's sadden me to see that after a week, the level range on the matchmaking can't find anyone of my level and force me through presitge 8 people that shreds me to pieces, and on the top of that I feel like a dead weight to my team.

Yeah, feels horrible, doesn't it? No wonder so many people are quitting the game.

Oh true i dident read your first post. Yeah then it sucks. But P2W is not true, yeah some people play 24/7 and they are high Ranked. Thats normal in every game. But you can beat them.

You can, but it's an uphill battle where you're at a severe disadvantage. You have to play flawlessly for that and if they're more skilled than you or even equally skilled, chances are high that you're going to lose. Your best chance is to throw them off a cliff or simply stay away from then but what are you supposed to do when the entire enemy team is full of high prestige high gearscore opponents who can pop revenge after 3 blocks and can 2shot you? It's really bad.

hey OP, I haven't experienced that at all.
Add me and we'll queue together for some fun, if you feel like it. uplay name is the same as my username here.

Done. Thanks for the offer. All my other friends quit and the game's more enjoyable with cool people who got your back. I'm genuinely surprised you haven't experienced that at all.7 of my friends have, me included, and all of them quit the game because of the unfair matchmaking.

I'm on both sides of the fence on this one.

First off, I agree the matchmaking in 4Honor is pretty abysmal. It's the game randomly takes 8 people and just chucks them into a server without so much as a first glance to see what their level/item level/skill level is. I've had plenty of games where I was playing an alt and been paired against a full group of prestige 5+ with full gold. It's not fun but at the same time if I don't like it I can always leave since there is no leaver penalty and no reason for players to stay if they don't want to.

Secondly, aside from the very frequent amount of imbalanced matches, I have played a countless amount of balanced, extremely fun matches in both DM and Dom. So much fun that it compensates for the bad games that I have played. It's a contrast of interest I'm sure as some players have a higher tolerance for defeat than others.

Lastly, people who want to quit in the first couple of weeks due to other players out-progressing them; good riddance. If you are a casual player and you know it, don't expect to "compete" in competitive online games. It just isn't your scene. I don't care if you think that companies should cater to your playstyle by matching you with evenly casual players, or that you should feel like you're being rewarded for your time in game. I don't care if you feel like a detriment to your team. I don't care if you want a refund.

If you can't hang in 4Honor, or any online competitive game for that matter due to your inability to stay on the competitive side of things, then that's your fault. If you have a limited amount of time to play, then you should be prepared to be on the receiving end of a beat down. Till then, gear up, play against bots in Dom (easy way to level and get gear) and come back when you are ready to compete. It's really as simple as that.

Well, here I completely disagree with you. It's perfectly fine to be better than others. It's also perfectly fine that you are rewarded for your time played - after all, you should! However, it's not fine that players who beat other players in terms of gear, skill and experience get matched with people, who are massively inferior in any possible way shape or form.

Honestly dude, do you have fun beating players, who are bad at this game and can hardly defend themselves? Do you have fun playing against people you can 2shot, while they can hardly damage you? The difference between a pro and a bully is, that the former seeks to have his skills tested in combat, while the latter is just looking for an easy pushover to beat up and boost his miniscule ego.

Therefore I don't see why lesser skilled or geared people should be forced to play vs AI until they have some competitive gear. I don't see how that should be a good thing - or good game design in the first place. Why can't matchmaking in 2017 be fair for everybody? Game developers should have had their fair share of negative examples on how to not do things and how things can be done by now and should know how a game can provide a great experience for any audience, be it casual or hardcore. I for one think that this game could be a great experience for everyone, not just for hardcore players, but in order to do so it needs fair and balanced matchmaking.

I don't see how having players of equal skill and gear only being matched together, rather than against superior players would be a bad thing for the hardcore audience, except when the "hardcore audience" is more interested in bullying new players, rather than seeking a challenge.