Warden mixup is not broken | Forums

[NiceBoatUS]

1)I can't take this part seriously because you say mashing is viable. And your cherry picking. the thing you are quoting was for a different part of my point. and you are applying it to a part to try and make your point more valid.

Mashing =/= mashing out. No, mashing is not viable in any game that makes sense. Yes, mashing out an input to have it register at the earliest possible time is how you do frame-perfect inputs following recovery frames. Are you new to video games?

2)You didn't prove anything. You gave 1 frame number and vague scenarios.

Vague? All the available options were listed. All were scored based on the damage received by each hero. This is how you evaluate your in-game options using maths. I'm not going to give you a lecture here, just a small tip: next time you see something you don't understand, don't embarass yourself by trying to come up with a smug response.

3)it is a loop because it is possible to do continusly. But i'm not going to argue over semantics with you.

Nice definition bro. Sadly, it applies to literally every attack in the game. Literally every attack can be done continuously. And you really, unironically said that. See, the defining aspect of the vortex is not the fact that you can do it continuously, but the fact that the opponent has to take it until he makes the right guess. Words, they have meaning, you know?

And again this is uneeded. I'm not asking them to remove mix ups. or anything else. I literally am only calling for them to remove the vortex on warden. which again he doesnt need. and he'd still be incredibly strong.

Then there's something wrong with you, because you're literally asking them to remove something that doesn't exist. And no, I'm not arguing semantics here, I'm simply not misrepresenting a simple mixup by giving it a scary name.

At this point there is nothing more to say with you. the way you argue is not pleasent and I won't put up with it anymore.(...)
k. bye.

Sound, logical, maths-based arguments are neither pleasant nor unpleasant. They simply are. If you feel offended because I pointed out that you were misrepresenting the facts, so be it. I just hope, for the sake of all the people around you, that you don't get furious whenever you see an equation or formula you don't like and that it's just an internet thing.

Also, just a fun fact pertaining to this:

if stopping the vortex was as simple as doing a dash attack we wouldn't have top skilled players talking about how strong it is and asking for it's removal.

... recently, there's been a rather big tournament with PK vs Warden in the finals. Warden won. Vortex wasn't used even once... but hey, what do them tournament people know? Knight Raime and his faithful page Pollie believe that the "vortex" (which isn't really a vortex) is op, so it simply must be so. Neither mathematical models nor actual data points are capable of penetrating the thick walls they've erected around their little playground.

[Sheynes]

I play warden and I feel like I have no spécials moves, no poison, no shield, no long range, not mega speed like assassins, not a huge defense... It's just... Average.

So yeah, I can shoulder bash, but guys, that's the only move AND he is so predictable...

[Mr_Gallows]

Lol a 50/50 mixup is fine? Lol. Heads or tails - brilliant game 😂