Lets talk (civilized) about "honor". | Forums

[Brave_Thunder]

First, you did not enter a duel with that other random person. You entered a match called Elimination and/or Brawl. That is not a "duel". And why the devs specifically named those modes that way, it was to respect the "Honor" of dueling that is reserved for the 1 vs 1 "Duel" mode.

Elimination and Brawl are meant for two teams of 2 or 4 to fight each other and win. It is not dueling.

However, there really should be some sort of respect when a person is engaged with an opponent and he's winning. To help put only if he's losing. But unfortunately that's very hard to determine and filter out in lobbies with randoms.

People really need to understand what this whole Honor deal is about and why that's reserved for 1 vs 1 duels. Read up on the history of the Samurai and you'll realize what happened to them and how they had to evolve from their honor system when it came to war. It's a very interesting read.

Real life can't be compared to a game.In war,the choice is between honor and death.Here,the only difference is the word that appears at the end of the game.

[Cipher_73]

Real life can't be compared to a game.In war,the choice is between honor and death.Here,the only difference is the word that appears at the end of the game.

You're right. It is a game. And these Honor people are trying to instill their ideals in a game environment that has game modes that does not follow their values.

If they want a 1 vs 1, go play duel. If they want to play with multiple friends in a duel-like environment, get 8 friends and create your own custom match. Otherwise if you join a lobby with randoms, don't expect us to conform.

The modes are clearly identified as to what they are. Going into a 4 vs 4 and then wanting players to do 1 vs 1 is ridiculous. They assume it's "implied to duel" because they start you off in Elimination facing a single opponent. It's not! It's an option and a choice of strategy. Stay and fight, or run and regroup and attack with force.

[Waynedetta40k]

You're right. It is a game. And these Honor people are trying to instill their ideals in a game environment that has game modes that does not follow their values.
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They are just mad because they are getting ganked and dont know how to handle the situation.

[BlackbirdMPK]

Personally I think people are taking the 'honor" thing too literally. When i made my post about honor I wasn't referring to ye olden days take ten steps and all that jazz. "Never hit a man when he's down." I don't care about that. The issue is the difference in personal play style that amounts to fights being a spam fest or a running simulator. To people saying "it's called brawl and elimination" thank you for stating the obvious about the names without alluding to the context that an elimination match starts you off against one person.

Regardless of what anyone wants to say about how the game is designed and you're free to run away before a fight even starts, the game is actually designed around fighting one on one. That's how the mechanics where created when determining how 90% of the fighting works. The other 10% was designed to be able to fight multiple people. So your assumption that the game is designed to "play however you want" is not entirely accurate, regardless if you're free to do so.

I consider myself in the "honor" crowd, with my only standard being that I fight who I'm squared up to fight in elimination. I won't run away simply to gang up on someone else without even finishing my match. To me, the satisfaction comes from being able to overcome my opponent. THAT, is skill. Skill isn't "I ran to get a numbers advantage haha I is smart." That's not skill. It requires no higher game function to do so. SKILL is implemented when you fight. There is no "skill" in tactics if the tactic is not having a tactic, since running within itself does no procure a victory. Running can even get you killed since you're not... you know... fighting.

Honestly, I've just come to conclusion that the people who run away in every fight regardless of advantage or disadvantage are just unskilled. And I've confirmed this seeing as every time they're in a fight they're getting demolished by me or someone else.

If you wanna flee. Sure. No problem. Just know when I catch you I'm gonna kill you and whatever teammate you doomed to die with you when you give me revenge in 3 seconds. I don't care about cliffs. I don't care about being ganged up on. I'm all for it. But fleeing at the start of combat? It really shows a lack of skill. Call "smart" if you want. Fact of the matter is, you know your skill level is low and can only procure a win by running, and even then, it doesn't guarantee you a win. I've never seen a good player flee from the first match of elimination.

I get more satisfaction from killing my opponent using actual skill than winning "at all costs." That's how cheaters think too. You think hackers think they're cheating? They're just following the same "win at all costs" rule. At the end of the day, play how you want. Just know that your definition of "fun" is different from others. I'm sure those who lose often hate losing, and will do anything to win. Real winners (as in those who actually are skilled enough to use SKILL to win) don't need to resort to cheap tactics.

Think about it. Why would someone who can easily kill an opponent run from a fight? If you're confident enough in your skill. Why run? Because those who know they're not that good know they can't win a straight up fight.

[SiewcaRaka]

If you wanna flee. Sure. No problem. Just know when I catch you I'm gonna kill you and whatever teammate you doomed to die with you when you give me revenge in 3 seconds. I don't care about cliffs. I don't care about being ganged up on. I'm all for it. But fleeing at the start of combat? It really shows a lack of skill. Call "smart" if you want. Fact of the matter is, you know your skill level is low and can only procure a win by running, and even then, it doesn't guarantee you a win. I've never seen a good player flee from the first match of elimination.

If between us there is high risk footing(bridge, lava spikes whatever) I will keep going back to more advantageous position. If there is power up right beside me, ill take it. If not, I will fight, but not because it is honourable, but because it is better. If i kill you, i can get powerups health etc and help my teammates by ganking. If I won't kill you, i could run but the effect could be not so good. Either 2v2 fiesta which is dangerous or 2x 2v1, so I would kill my second teammate by not killing you.

But its all about tactics that we plan to use. 4 man team can all agree to meet somewhere(health pack, armor boost, dmg boost) and kill anyone that will approach them. One guy can flee to be on resing mission which is quite crucial in elims if enemy team sucks at executions. You call it unskilled? That is only to be determined. If fleeing guy wins, you and your team were unskilled. If he lost, then he and his team were unskilled. There is no cheaters or luckers on battlefield. Only winners and corpses.

[Reign]

Would there be trophies for knocking people off ledges, or into fire and spikes if all the dev's wanted was us to slap each other in the face with gloves and duel. No. You're playing by your own guidelines don't get pissed when others play the full game.

[LagMasterSwag01]

THe "No Honor" used to annoy me when i started playing, as I'm getting better i only rlly get annoyed by things like getting ganged up on with Conq bashes and Lawbringer poke carries.... into pits, cross the map from a blind spot.

[Ruin..]

Honestly i had really no problem with this whole "honor" fight, until today. I play mostly dominion and elimination, with a few 1v1 sprinkled in when i feel like dueling a single person. I would consider myself kinda honorable. I throw people of cliffs when I can because spacial awareness is a part of combat. In an elimination match i fight the first guy they throw at me then I move on, and help my teammate. BUT today for some reason i decided to try out brawl as i hadn't played it since beta. Taking this to be just like a smaller Elimination, I Killed my guy and went to help my teammate, and this is when it got real for me. My own teammate starts berating me for helping him. While he's screaming about how i ruined his game and took all the fun out of it, I suggest that he might find what he's looking for in 1v1. He then exclaims that, that's not how things are done in 2v2, that there are special rules that I have to adhere to. By this point we had mopped the floor with our opposition, me helping him take down his guy every time(the last one was just for spite).

He called me inbred and left.

If someone helping you in a fight ruins the game for you, then why don't you play 1v1?

Regardless of where you stand in the "honor" fight you should know that this is a multiplayer game and that not everyone is going to adhere to your special rules. If the game type your playing in allows it to happen then it's going to happen.

TLDR: I got called inbred, and play 1v1 if you wanna 1v1.

[SiewcaRaka]

Honestly i had really no problem with this whole "honor" fight, until today. I play mostly dominion and elimination, with a few 1v1 sprinkled in when i feel like dueling a single person. I would consider myself kinda honorable. I throw people of cliffs when I can because spacial awareness is a part of combat. In an elimination match i fight the first guy they throw at me then I move on, and help my teammate. BUT today for some reason i decided to try out brawl as i hadn't played it since beta. Taking this to be just like a smaller Elimination, I Killed my guy and went to help my teammate, and this is when it got real for me. My own teammate starts berating me for helping him. While he's screaming about how i ruined his game and took all the fun out of it, I suggest that he might find what he's looking for in 1v1. He then exclaims that, that's not how things are done in 2v2, that there are special rules that I have to adhere to. By this point we had mopped that floor with our opposition, me helping him take down his guy every time(the last one was just for spite).

He called me inbred and left.

If someone helping you in a fight ruins the game for you, then why don't you play 1v1?

Regardless of where you stand in the "honor" fight you should know that this is a multiplayer game and that not everyone is going to adhere to your special rules. If the game type your playing in allows it to happen then it's going to happen.

TLDR: I got called inbred, and play 1v1 if you wanna 1v1.

Because calling people names is not ruining someone's fun and is completely honourable! Dont mind such petty man. Hope that you will find him on opposite side where you will be able to show him exactly why he is small scrub.

[CoyoteXStarrk]

I will say what I always say.

You can play however you wanna play. Its your game, you can play it any way you feel like playing.


BUT


That doesn't mean you cannot be criticized for playing the way you play. People are free to point out that you play a certain way and are entitled to look down upon you or turn their noses up at it.



Its up to you whether or not you care.