Lets talk (civilized) about "honor". | Forums

[Brave_Thunder]

Ubi already took a very clear position. Nothing is vague, everything is very explicit, except when you beat around the bush to justify the fact that you willingly gimp a collective effort with your behaviour.

It's called Duel mode.

Which,if you had read my posts,I play about everytime.Care to tell me when ubi stated that avoiding to do everything that you can in order to win is ban worthy?Stop cryng about what others do,as I said,you are free to cheese every other player in your game.Not me tho.

[Captain-Courage]

Which,if you had read my posts,I play about everytime.Care to tell me when ubi stated that avoiding to do everything that you can in order to win is ban worthy?Stop cryng about what others do,as I said,you are free to cheese every other player in your game.Not me tho.

Then if you are a Duel player, don't complain when it doesn't go as you wish when you play with others that you can't objectify and control.
Because when you hit your team mates when they want to quickly dispatch a threat and feel offended because of that, that's clearly what you do. Like children do when they throw a tantrum because everything wasn't as they wanted when they learn to socialise (which is often done ... with games)

If you don't want to play with a team, because you are clearly not fit to it, stick to duel or AI modes, orders or not. No, just duel indeed, because AI often use what you call cheesy tactics (your line on the tactics over fights was hilarious and so out of whack by the way).

I'ts like playing a football or basket ball game but never pass the ball to your team mates "because I want fair 1v1".
Typical ego powered childish selfish behaviour, as others already told you. but as you can verbalise better than a 3 years old, you have your "virtue" and "sense of honor" to conveniently hide it.

[Brave_Thunder]

Then if you are a Duel player, don't complain when it doesn't go as you wish when you play with others that you can't objectify and control.
Because when you hit your team mates when they want to quickly dispatch a threat and feel offended because of that, that's clearly what you do.

If you don't want to play with a team, because you are clearly not fit to it, stick to duel or AI modes, orders or not. No, just duel indeed, because AI often use what you call cheesy tactics (your line on the tactics over fights was hilarious and so out of whack by the way).

I'ts like playing a football or basket ball game but never pass the ball to your team mates "because I want fair 1v1".
Typical ego powered selfish behaviour, as others already told you

You said It,I can't control the outcome of a match or what my teammates do.But I can control myself and my actions: I won't allow a gank to be made at my opponent,which is fighting a fair duel vs me.I don't complain,I simply act: cry me a river if you don't enjoy my playstile,I won't bend over to yours just because the majority agrees with you.Being selfish is not against rules,so sorry but not sorry.

[Rhamez]

You said It,I can't control the outcome of a match or what my teammates do.But I can control myself and my actions: I won't allow a gank to be made at my opponent,which is fighting a fair duel vs me.I don't complain,I simply act: cry me a river if you don't enjoy my playstile,I won't bend over to yours just because the majority agrees with you.Being selfish is not against rules,so sorry but not sorry.

So you admit it then? You're just a selfish brat with a fragile ego that is unable to venture from your comfort zone of 1v1s. This has nothing to do with "fairness" or "honor".

Mystery solved, welcome to the mindset of "pro-honor" players ladies and gentleman, case closed.

[Brave_Thunder]

So you admit it then? You're just a selfish brat with a fragile ego that is unable to venture from your comfort zone of 1v1s. This has nothing to do with "fairness" or "honor".

Mystery solved, welcome to the mindset of "pro-honor" players ladies and gentleman, case closed.

Sorry I can't hear you behind your 3 man ganks and ledge traps.Then you have the courage of sayng that "1v1 is a comfort zone"?Man I just hope you earn a lot of money from this game,because if you don't do that your whole "I play just to win" attitude falls apart.

[GewaltSam]

Ledge throwing seems easy, the counters against it not so much.

Now, what when I tell you that, say, with 150h or 200h of experience, if you work on your guard break counters, know the general rules of gbs (for example, when they are free), have some experience in using some simple feint techniques, and can parry too easy heavies your enemy throws you, then the ledge game gets a whole new dimension?

Now some will say "I'm casual, I don't play that much, it's for reflex god only" and so on, and you would be wrong. You can't prefire in CS with 20h of gaming experience. You can't really air dribble if you're only 40h into Rocket League. Your build-order in Starcraft 2 is probably crap if you haven't worked a few dozen hours on your played race, and so on.

This game is pretty easy to pick up, but way harder to fully grasp. You need to put some "work" into it (and I don't mean in an unfun way; but sometimes, you should do some training sessions or simply play harder opponents and think about how to crack them). If you die a lot near ledges, you are free to avoid them - or you defend yourself and punish your enemy for his tries (absolutely possible). This is where the skilled game begins right now, and where people will send you a "nicely done!" after you put them down the drain with 100% life while nearly dying yourself.

[Waynedetta40k]

This is a gamedesign problem. The game give the key to lower skilled players to win it all. They don't learn the game, don't watch any tutorial: They move in group and gank. IMO i jut wait for them to get bored and go back playing LOL. It'll get better in a few.

No in this case you and your team is just not as good as they think they are because you just got outplayed by better players.

Skill is the ability to win the game.
Other people always create some weird defitinions for the word "skill" because they suck at winning.
So its easier for them to be the better player by their own rules.
Poor bastards.

[RatedChaotic]

Instead of blaming the game for being put in a unfair fight. You should blame yourself and/or your team. These complaints of getting ganked by teams are nothing but an organized team going against a disorganized team. Some of you should learn the maps, practice with your teams, configure good team hero combinations and discuss strategies Instead of just forming a team and going in blind without a plan to handle situations your team is vulnerable too.

[Dekallis]

Let me begin by saving "Honor" itself is vauge. There's no real 'code' of honor universally recognized. The samurai had the code of bushido, which many people think is insane when they understand the full scope of what the code of bushido is and not just the basic virtues it lays out. Then there's the Chilvaric code, which make no mistake was NOT some unified doctrine for all Knights, different knight orders had different codes of honor. What was acceptable to one was not to another and as such would've been a fundamental cause of conflict(Ironic considering the subject matter.). The "Honor" most people are talking about is an abstract perception that they invoke whenever the feel cheated.

However the reality is, if you look at codes of conduct for knights there's things like 'never refuse a duel' or 'never turn your back upon a enemy' (We've all broken that one by now) and besides that most of these codes of conduct for knights were limited to tournaments/duels/interactions with the people. They weren't meant to apply to battlefields. Or we can even get more basic and go to the "Warriors Code" Which is something that's more or less existed since tribal eras in some form or another, again it varies though the common themes are courage and loyalty, and oddly, mercy. Yet not one of these that I've seen has ever decried using the terrain to your advantage, it is generally understood that once in combat you use all available skills and tactics to win.

So, with that in mind, what is "Honor" really?

Until a legitimized ruleset is accepted all the discussion in the world is moot. One man's Honor is another's ignorance and yet another's definition may be 'dirty' to someone else. Another odd point is that people seem to ignore the fact some characters are OBVIOUSLY designed for certain tactics. Would Raider be able to charge you like a enraged rhino and carry you off ungodly distances is he weren't meant to use the terrain? Probably not. Would Lawbringer be designed with multiple moves who's sole purpose is to move you around and reposition you if he weren't about positioning and using environment? Probably not. It's a thing that always crops up in 3d fighting games if a character is designed to 'ring out' or slam you into walls to continue their offense other people will call that cheap because the fight feels onesided one they're hit by that character's strategy. But usually such chars aren't overbearing otherwise. Do you make an exception for them? Or do your rules need to be adjusted? Obviously not everyone will agree on where the line is drawn.

[SnueGliffer]

Let's face it, it's not the people who are willing to play whatever way they want who are frustrated, it's the 1v1 crowd who are the most vocal in their complaints. How often do you hear somebody in game complain that their teammates are playing too honorably and won't take advantage of ganking or ledges? I've played a lot of games and not once has any complaining come from that crowd, it's the other side who insist on accusing others of "no honor" and "cheap tactics" and this happens about 7 out of 10 games. There's always one person who's just got to tell everyone how they should be playing 4v4. If people don't join in team fights or won't throw others off ledges then fine, it doesn't bother me. God forbid I choose to do so and then I'll get the rage of someone who is apparently well versed in the art of warfare explain how I don't fight with honor.

You don't have to explain why you refuse to join team fights and you don't have to explain why you won't push someone to their death. We get it, you inisist on playing like it is a duel. It's you 1v1 fanatics that need to learn why people don't immediately jump on your arbitrary list of rules and play exactly the way you want to play. It's a team based game mode, people play it to play as a team. If you do not like this then perhaps 4v4 isn't for you.