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[Rhamez]

Since you like to talk about design...why we have stunlock on allys if the game is designed for such a glorious ganking experience?
It's like to say that in my city their is an unwritten rule of painting all houses of green.Then I buy my house and I paint It yellow.Do I break some rules?No.If you want to play a team mode,then you have to respect the point of view of everyone in The lobby,just like you have to respect my private propriety in real life.If I don't want ganks,you have to accept my decision mainly because you want to win:a griefer is of no use in this.Why you let me do it,then?

What on earth are you even trying to say here? If you mean why are there staggers when your attacks hit allies, that's because they wanted you to think about how to approach a crowded brawl instead of everyone just zone attacking constantly and is literally just a design choice that doesn't have some hidden meaning behind it. As a counter argument, why is there a heavy damage reduction to friendly fire if they didn't intend you to be up side by side fighting? And that analogy was awful and doesn't even remotely line up with this argument. You are just ranting and raving here with absolutely no reasoning to any of this. YOU are the one wanting to write an unwritten rule, not the rest of the community. In fact, I should be the one asking why I should have to adhere to your unwritten rule. Did you even think this through? You counter pointed yourself. I will even use your words against you.

If you want to play a team mode,then you have to respect the point of view of everyone in The lobby

Why should your point of view take a higher priority than the other players?

[Brave_Thunder]

What on earth are you even trying to say here? If you mean why are there staggers when your attacks hit allies, that's because they wanted you to think about how to approach a crowded brawl instead of everyone just zone attacking constantly and is literally just a design choice that doesn't have some hidden meaning behind it. As a counter argument, why is there a heavy damage reduction to friendly fire if they didn't intend you to be up side by side fighting? And that analogy was awful and doesn't even remotely line up with this argument. You are just ranting and raving here with absolutely no reasoning to any of this. YOU are the one wanting to write an unwritten rule, not the rest of the community. In fact, I should be the one asking why I should have to adhere to your unwritten rule. Did you even think this through? You counter pointed yourself. I will even use your words against you.



Why should your point of view take a higher priority than the other players?

Why you fail to see my point?I'm not tryng to block ANYONE from doing ANYTHING,except if your tactics directly involve me.I don't care how you play,how many reinforcement you need to win or what tactic you want to abuse to get to your goal.I will fight for my team in my way,just like anyone else.But if your effort to get your victory involves breaking my rules of combat,breaks my gameplay and my enjoyment of the game,you can be sure that I'll strike back.You are not obliged to follow my code,just like I'm not obliged to partecipate to your ganks.My point of view takes an higher priority on my battles,no where else.I will not grief if you gank others.But not me.Live with the fact that someone has some self-imposed rules and choose what to do.Simply as that.

[Rhamez]

Why you fail to see my point?I'm not tryng to block ANYONE from doing ANYTHING,except if your tactics directly involve me.I don't care how you play,how many reinforcement you need to win or what tactic you want to abuse to get to your goal.I will fight for my team in my way,just like anyone else.But if your effort to get your victory involves breaking my rules of combat,breaks my gameplay and my enjoyment of the game,you can be sure that I'll strike back.You are not obliged to follow my code,just like I'm not obliged to partecipate to your ganks.My point of view takes an higher priority on my battles,no where else.I will not grief if you gank others.But not me.Live with the fact that someone has some self-imposed rules and choose what to do.Simply as that.

Look, we are full circle now. So let's leave this here. If YOU want to 1v1 only, you have a mode for that. When you enter ANY. OTHER. MODE. You immediately forfeit any "right" to a 1v1. It doesn't matter what -you- want. If you go out of your way to 1v1 only and complain about anything else, you are HINDERING your team and you are the one breaking their gameplay. There is no arguing this. They implemented a 1v1 mode JUST for this reason.

You said it yourself, again,

You are not obliged to follow my code

That's it. That's ALL there is to it. Any retaliation for them ignoring your selfish and unreasonable regulation of gameplay on your part is YOU being a selfish brat. This team mode is NOT for you to come in and waste peoples time. It is a 4 VERSUS 4, not 1v1 with social companionship.

But if your effort to get your victory involves breaking my rules of combat,breaks my gameplay and my enjoyment of the game,you can be sure that I'll strike back.

Congratulations this is beyond the most narcissistic thing I have ever read in my life on a game forum. You're absolutely delusional if you think your ridiculous "1v1 me" bs supersedes the game modes goal. YOUR rules of combat are so insignificant and below that of the goal of the game mode, no matter how much you kick and scream.
How on earth is what you are saying NOT registering in your head that it IS INDEED trying to block people from doing something, and that something is being a 1v2+ and WINNING THE GAME. How egotistical do you have to be to type out what you just did and not cringe at how ridiculous it sounds?

[Captain-Courage]

Why you fail to see my point?I'm not tryng to block ANYONE from doing ANYTHING,except if your tactics directly involve me.I don't care how you play,how many reinforcement you need to win or what tactic you want to abuse to get to your goal.I will fight for my team in my way,just like anyone else.But if your effort to get your victory involves breaking my rules of combat,breaks my gameplay and my enjoyment of the game,you can be sure that I'll strike back.You are not obliged to follow my code,just like I'm not obliged to partecipate to your ganks.My point of view takes an higher priority on my battles,no where else.I will not grief if you gank others.But not me.Live with the fact that someone has some self-imposed rules and choose what to do.Simply as that.

You're just deeply selfish and have nothing to do in a multiplayer team game. Period.

The more you post, the more it's clearly obvious that the only team mates that you can play with are your own ego and percieved sense of self importance. Fortunately for you, you have your "virtue", handy to hide behind by taking the higher moral ground and dismiss others efforts to try and win a game together.
It would be really funny to see how you do in an 20 vs 20 objective mode in Chivalry MW (protip : there is no more chivalry un Chivalry than honor in For Honor)

[Tziwen]

This is a gamedesign problem. The game give the key to lower skilled players to win it all. They don't learn the game, don't watch any tutorial: They move in group and gank. IMO i jut wait for them to get bored and go back playing LOL. It'll get better in a few.

[ReggiR]

Understand, that most people dont play this game for competative reasons. They want to have fun. And while you obviously think that winning by any means IS fun

I have order to do 50 teakdowns in elemination. I have a choice, do around 3 kills every match or get around 5-8 kills every match ( i just need one hit before guy will die). So its choice between around 17 games or around 10 or less games. Tell me what i should choose when i have a job and personal life and i prefer duel mode, but i want to do order for exp and steel? I prefer 1vs1, but its 4vs4 mode, not 4x 1vs1, so i accept what this mode is about.

[Brave_Thunder]

Look, we are full circle now. So let's leave this here. If YOU want to 1v1 only, you have a mode for that. When you enter ANY. OTHER. MODE. You immediately forfeit any "right" to a 1v1. It doesn't matter what -you- want. If you go out of your way to 1v1 only and complain about anything else, you are HINDERING your team and you are the one breaking their gameplay. There is no arguing this. They implemented a 1v1 mode JUST for this reason.

You said it yourself, again,

That's it. That's ALL there is to it. Any retaliation for them ignoring your selfish and unreasonable regulation of gameplay on your part is YOU being a selfish brat. This team mode is NOT for you to come in and waste peoples time. It is a 4 VERSUS 4, not 1v1 with social companionship.



Congratulations this is beyond the most narcissistic thing I have ever read in my life on a game forum. You're absolutely delusional if you think your ridiculous "1v1 me" bs supersedes the game modes goal. YOUR rules of combat are so insignificant and below that of the goal of the game mode, no matter how much you kick and scream.
How on earth is what you are saying NOT registering in your head that it IS INDEED trying to block people from doing something, and that something is being a 1v2+ and WINNING THE GAME. How egotistical do you have to be to type out what you just did and not cringe at how ridiculous it sounds?

Let's just agree to disagree then.We have different goals.We can discuss forever about what is intended and what's not,fact is that the game gives tools to the players,to reach their goal:to win or to improve in combat.You can keep to do everything in your power to win,I to preserve duels and fair fight,unless ubisoft takes a clear position about the question.

[Captain-Courage]

Let's just agree to disagree then.We have different goals.We can discuss forever about what is intended and what's not,fact is that the game gives tools to the players,to reach their goal:to win or to improve in combat.You can keep to do everything in your power to win,I to preserve duels and fair fight,unless ubisoft takes a clear position about the question.

Ubi already took a very clear position. Nothing is vague, everything is very explicit, except when you beat around the bush to justify the fact that you willingly gimp a collective effort with your behaviour.

It's called Duel mode.

[m1y4gi]

I'm pretty much at the point where these discussions are just pointless and I feel continuing them just gives people who somehow decided they can tell others how to play a platform for their ego driven declarations of what is correct.

People have always wanted to tell others how to play.
People have always complained about ganking and demanded the ganker meet them outside for a 1 vs 1 to prove how much better they are (sore losers basically).
People have always insisted 1 vs 1 is skill and being good in a team and using the environment is no skill (disagree, it's a different type of skill).
People do this in every game (on the Battlefield 1 forums people complain about tank users, grenade spammers, pilots, cavalry riders ... you name it).

The difference this time?
I guess the name of the game makes them think they are right, and people keep entertaining them when they try to lay down the law.
The game does have a bit of an identity crisis, and the modes aren't quite sure what they want to be.
You start facing an opponent but it's a team game about crushing the other team with boosts spread across a large map.
The modes are confused, so no wonder the players are.
Basically each mode (except 1 vs 1) has 2 ways to play it, this has formed 2 camps and the rest is history.

The solution. Well, either shut up and get on with it, whichever way you choose to play, or Ubisoft need to completely re-work the modes / the whole game. The solution is not to keep telling others how to play.

Now, all honor-whiners read and learn...

[Rhamez]

This is a gamedesign problem. The game give the key to lower skilled players to win it all. They don't learn the game, don't watch any tutorial: They move in group and gank. IMO i jut wait for them to get bored and go back playing LOL. It'll get better in a few.

This is NOT a game design problem. It is a fallacy used by those bitter that they lost. Nothing more. If you lose even when outnumbered to people who haven't even done a tutorial then that's on you and there is nothing to blame but your own ability. Revenge is a mechanic so broken that you yourself have the advantage against unskilled players in an outnumbered scenario.