Shugoki....are you ****ting me? | Forums

[HalcyonRM]

This class is pretty much immune to everything I threw at it with a Lawbringer in practice.

Impaling Charge - immune
Impaling Reposte- immune
The Long Arm - immune

If I block his attack and immediately guard break it lets me shove which starts a combo chain, but even if I use a light attack after the shove he's already swinging with an uninterruptible attack.
If I parry and do one of my parry specials, he's already swinging something that I can't avoid because I'm in a combo chain.

Half the time he's grabbing me, which pressing guard break against does nothing, and stunning me then doing the uppercut with the club sending me flying. Or doing his headbutt which dazes me.

So what the ****? All his attacks can't be interrupted but he's outright immune to 1/4 of my attacks and any combo chain I try to do can be interrupted by him? Even after I did a pushback counter?

This is horse****. This isn't even balanced. Of all characters, the Lawbringer should be able to interrupt this guy and NONE of his abilities should be immune. Shugoki needs some more balancing.

[Salt_Fist]

I can sympathise with your view.

However I've gotten past it.

The shugoki are telegraphed wrecking machines.

You can clearly see it all coming, which makes it all the more salty when it all hits and kills you.

That being said you will find safe options to approach. I did.

The shugoki are pretty susceptible to g.b.s as are most. But the easiest way to learn what beats a class, is to pick it up and take it to duels, you will find out quick what is bodying you.

It took me maybe 10 straight duels to figure out how to outplay 80% of shugoki

[HalcyonRM]

No I'm saying this is straight up broken.

I specifically took the Conqueror, because it's heavy attacks have Superior Block, which interrupts opponent's light and heavy attacks.
The Shugoki bot didn't give a ****. It continued through with heavy attacks even after I hit it with a heavy attack.

The icing on the cake is when I used Shield Bash Reposte.

The Conqueror goes into a full block stance, then launches into a shield bash.
The shield bash is supposed to be unblockable and do a push back mechanic.

Well Shugoki bot didn't give a ****. In the middle of the shield bash animation he picked me up and broke my back.

What. The. ****.

Broken! Shugoki is flat out broken and OP right now as long as he ignores mechanics like unblockable, push back, and specific abilities like the Lawbringers impale. Give me a ****ing break. Fix this.

[Kiiyor]

As a fatty player on the side, I can tell you that playing a defensive game against him plays right into Shugoki's hands. If you let him regenerate his +5 force field of 'i'm fine the way I am as long as i'm happy' impenetrable fatness, he gets to dictate the terms of EVERY exchange. You can't feint him, as he can just accept any follow up hit while trading a light attack before headbutting you away to make room - or, he can just go for a parry anyway knowing that if you've feinted, he's still going to have a heavy whistling away towards your face.

You can try to mix it up with the occasional GB, but if he lands one of his own, or counters, he can get in a light, then a headbutt to remove tonnes of stamina for good measure. I often have internal battles with myself over that after a GB - a little donk and bonk to remove a heap of stamina, or go heavy for hilarity? IMPOSSIBRU CHOICE.

He's a supreme aggressor, and a master baiter.

His kryptonite, however, is pressure. You have to play aggressively yourself against him, which is where most people fall flat, being used to the defensive game most opponents play. If you drop his shield, don't let him get it back! He can barely dodge, his guard switch is ponderous, he's HILARIOUSLY slow at closing distance after dashes, and once he's low on stamina (which he can be after even ONE attack), his offence drops dramatically. Most Shubrooki players are also used to the muscle memory fighting they get when their shield is up - i've lost count of the number of fatties i've killed because they keep forgetting they can be interrupted once their shield is down.

Fast attacking characters will end him more rightly than any thrown pommel ever will - so will aggressive ones. All of the assassins can eat him before he even realizes he's at the wrong dinner table.

Keep up the pressure with quick attacks, mix up your attack direction, force him to swing for the rafters, parry or dodge his unblockables, and watch our for his week-long telegraphed inevitable desperate attempt to friendship hug you into his sweaty, heaving man bosom at the end of a fight (remembering he can heavy feint into that also...) and before you know it you'll be treated to the dulcet tones of his surprisingly pig like death squeal (seriously, did they sample a pig?).

He is tougher to face as a LB though - because the LB is one character that doesn't have the advantage of speed - though top light pokes work against me when i'm facing them.

All IMHO of course.

[PrinceOfTea]

...and a master baiter.

Confirmed.

[Tocki92]

I would suggest you print the stuff kiiyor wrote and stick it in your forehead, he is totally right I main shugoki and I struggle against lawbringers, who constantly attacks me with his bash, gb, attacks and whatever.
I played against some very good lawbringers in duel and in the most time I was stunned, laying down or being thrown against a wall couldn't really react and I was dead.

Keep in mind that if you hit his shield, you have to land an attack in 4 seconds, because it does extra damage.
Don't be too greedy when he is low life. I turn so many fights into my victory, because a greedy enemy didn't play carefully and i could grab and hug him, instant death.

[HalcyonRM]

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So both of you think it's acceptable that shugoki is immune against all the lawbringer moves that knock down an opponent?
It's ok that a heavy attack with Superior Block, which is supposed to interrupt ANY light or heavy attack, doesn't interrupt any of shugoki's attacks?

It's ok that if I successfully perform a shield bash, in the middle of the bash animation shugoki can just pick me up and break my back for 1/2 health?

All of that is balanced to you guys? Because I say it's complete horse****.

[Kiiyor]

So both of you think it's acceptable that shugoki is immune against all the lawbringer moves that knock down an opponent?
It's ok that a heavy attack with Superior Block, which is supposed to interrupt ANY light or heavy attack, doesn't interrupt any of shugoki's attacks?

It's only acceptable the first time. If you've landed a hit, superior block works fine - so does every other ability. Shugoki's whole kit revolves around that shield. There's no ambiguity to it; only GB gets through. If you start adding exceptions to that, you're only applying a band aid to the problem, and the problem isn't the Shugoki's shield, it's the way people approach a fight with him.

If you try to out-trade a character who is designed to win the first trade, you're only going to frustrate yourself.

I'm not trying to make light of your frustration. I'd suggest only that you mix up your playstlye when facing the fatty. There's no point going for broke with the shield up, or you've only yourself to blame when things go flabby pear shaped. You can't approach him thinking 'how can I win this trade' or 'which hits can I land' or 'how do I land this awesome combo' or 'how has he not died of some sort of fungal infection' - you need to prioritize the shield. Lots of characters need to mix up their playstyle facing other characters, and facing the fat man is no different. The fat man needs to change his playstyle fighting assassins, for example; I find it best to flail around in wild panic before impressing them to death with how many stab wounds my character is bleeding from.

It's ok that if I successfully perform a shield bash, in the middle of the bash animation shugoki can just pick me up and break my back for 1/2 health?

All of that is balanced to you guys? Because I say it's complete horse****.

That attack is hands down the most telegraphed in the game - both with it's animation, and with the fact that you can predict with absolute certainty that a Shugoki will try it whenever they are low on health.

Maintain distance, poke at it, dodge it, kill it (I know the PK dodges like a whale wearing an anvil in a backpack, but dodge it he can). Don't take any bait being dangled in front of you, because Shugo WANTS you to get close and attack. Seriously, bait is his thing! He's a particularly obese sea snake.

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For best results, spawn a level 2 Shugo bot, and you'll either learn to dodge the back break, or have permanently affected posture.

Side note: I rarely ever pull off the hug anymore, unless i'm facing someone greedy for the kill, or i'm in dominion.

I do, however, object to the one hit kill thing. I think it should never kill a fully healthy character - though if we were to keep to the spirit of it, i'd be happy with reducing it's damage and providing a stamina hit to both the Shugo and his chiropracted victim.

[Felis_Menari]

I'm not sure if it's a guaranteed counter, but sidestepping with good timing seems to always get me a guard break if his hyper armor is down. If not, it cancels it and he's vulnerable, but I try to poke him first before that (shove works wonders for that). And I just learned something tonight; it is possible to shove a shugoki and block the incoming light attack if the shugoki's attack is a reaction to the shove. If it the shugoki was already mid swing, well, you just eat the hit and grab him. But it's best to avoid that. Eating shugoki hits is not a good idea. Oh, and one other thing; if you manage to parry a shug's attack and his hyper armor is active, smack him with the light parry counter attack. Then you can begin pressuring him. And as Kiiyor mentioned, pressure is the shug's weakness.

[iHunny]

Shygoki is a good counter to Conqueror, its understandable you having a hard time vs him.