This is the tier list at HIGH LEVEL gameplay. This means you are assumed to know how to parry/block/deflect/GB Counter regularly and no amount of spamming will "confuse/anger/trigger" you. Yes, this also means you have to 95-100% win vs level 3 AI.
=== Top Tier (this means if you are the same skill level, it's virtually impossible to win against this class unless you are using a Top Tier or High Tier heroes):
Warlord: Recent winner of the first big tournament (Juice Gaming). The reason it's so strong is because of the attack interrupting nature of Full Guard, which can save you in a lot of situations where you are forced into a 50/50. The block also rewards you with a free hit. Think about how strong that is... This is the class that can BEAT the red flash storm of Warden by using Full Guard and then PUNISHING the Warden after!
Warden: Extremely fast and have the best feint potential / damage combination. The Warden has TWO powerful 50/50 options, there's the bash/GB and the feint/GB games AND more importantly the way his combos are setup, it actually give you ways to continue your 50/50s one after another. His zone attack in-of-itself is a powerhouse.
=== High Tier (this means if you are the same skill level, you can beat anyone; but of course you will be fighting an uphill battle against Top Tier heroes)
Conqueror: Similar to Warlord in terms of defensive capabilities HOWEVER it's lack in punishes after a block AND it doesn't have feints (loss of 50/50 options). Think of it as a different and slightly weaker Warlord.
Shugoki: The weakest Heavy but very powerful in the right hands. It has a panic button that can win games simply by catching you doing ANY ATTACK at all. If I demon charge you during an attack when I have low life, AUTO-WIN. You can't stop me because I have Super Armor. I literally made like 5 players rage quit after 2 matches in duels, lol. I haven't tested this hero extensively, so this technique might have weakness. But either way, Shugoki is SO POWERFUL and capable of punishing and winning on a small mistake. Super Armor makes his Demon Rush the best counter ability IN THE GAME.
=== Mid Tier
Peacekeeper: Peacekeeper is the only Assassin out of Bad Tier because it has more mobility than the rest AND it has the most damage when you account for the bleeds. She also has THE FASTEST Zone-Attack in the entire game at 9 frames. It beats out anything and everything, it can also be cancelled in the second hit to give it a 50/50 option. This is why despite her Assassin level HP, she's average tier.
Kensei: Didn't play him, this is mostly just from experience and reading its mechanics.
Nobushi: Didn't play her, this is mostly just from experience and reading its mechanics.
=== Low Tier
Orochi: I know I say he's crap tier all the time, mostly because I have high hopes for him and I played him in beta extensively and was forced to abandon him because his kit is badly enough that he will never be "good" at top level. He has no way to force 50/50 because he lack an unblockable attack (the deflect attack doesn't count since it is ONLY usable as a punish). Technically, you can use feints as a 50/50 options, BUT his combo is structured in a way that he can't capitalize on that. I would HAPPILY trade the useless H>L>L combo for a L>L>H combo... That would make Orochi viable at top level, just that small change. However, he does have a fast enough Light Attack and good defensive options so he's not BOTTOM Tier. The nail on Orochi's coffin is his low low HP, that combined with his lack of offensive 50/50 makes him strictly Low Tier
Berserker: I only play him for a short time, but I played him fairly late so I already have a lot of experience with the mechanics of the game. He is simply too predicable and punishable. Any blocked light gets the other guy free reign to GB me into a heavy or something equally unpleasant. It lacks a good unblockable / GB setup but it does have decent feints. It suffers from the same fate as Orochi... Low HP / Attack combined with lack of "something special" makes him strictly Low Tier
Valkyrie: Didn't play her, this is mostly just from experience and reading its mechanics.
=== Trash Tier
Raider: I loved his throw so I played him and Orochi first. I immediate realized that Orochi was superior in a fight, but he's better in an ambush (which happens in 4v4). The Raider is LACKING a lot of standard kits other heroes have. He can't score a Heavy after a GB and his feint is so slow that it's virtually pointless. Even if you do hit with a feint, you get about 1 light worth of damage. He lacks 50/50s and his heavy is so slow, it has no chance to hit anyone. His ENTIRE game revolves around the useless stun; I mean it's great when you are fighting noobs, but stuns really don't do much when good players can read you slow attack animation like 5 days in advance. I think all that weakness is probably to compensate for his incredible utility in Dominion or Elimination where he can env kill you with his kit easily.
Lawbringer: Didn't play him, this is mostly just from experience and reading its mechanics.
Here's a proper high level tier list, with detailed analysis of the reasoning behind each placement.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=svKhYrWaEt0
You only point characters strengths and weaknesses, but tier list are primarly based on matchups. Your list would be much more credible if you could rate matchups and explain this rating.
Anyway, seeing so many differences between different tier lists nowadays shows that it's still too early to have an accurate and credible tier list.
Orochi isn't OP as many people are saying but saying that he is into low tier....... On the other hand, nobushi won the saturday torunament while a guy playing PK was pretty close to win the tournament too.
BTW, can someone please gives me a link to watch the Juice Gaming tournament?. I would like to see the final please!!.
This tier list is way off. Shugoki and Conq are both top tier and extremely strong. Conq can use a GB after almost every block and while you can tech it it is still very strong. Orochi is in the second tier and not low and the only reason he is not top tier is because of the balance issues with the top 4.
Also that youtube video is also wrong. He says Conq cannot get a side heavy off a guard break and that is 100% false. You can get a confirmed side heavy off a GB with Conq.
you have no ****ing idea and almost everyone good at this game agrees on this list with maybe minor changes.Originally Posted by Aarpian Go to original post
conq so far at the bottom? orochi so far at the top? nope. not at good skill level.Originally Posted by default91 Go to original post
well, the list puts the 4 strongest classes at the top, which is something most lists fail to do. may i ask why you think orochi is that strong? not saying he is bad or anything, but i do not really see him being superior to pk. pretty sure PK can attack faster than chars can switch guard.Originally Posted by Salty_Saltcreek Go to original post