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[SnueGliffer]

Two issues with this statement.

If you can WIN all day long, in dominion by ganking, 2v1, 3v1 fights. consistently then your team is actually considerably more skilled at the games mechanics. dominion is all about taking objectives and holding them. if a team can hold objectives and also dominate the opposing sides players by ganking them this demonstrates a higher level of teamwork, map knowledge, synergy, grouping, time management to keep bases capped, communication, coordination. if you can WIN dominion gamemodes all day long then i completely disagree with you your team is HIGHLY SKILLED at this game.

if you can walk into a 1v1 duel mode and win all day well this is a no-brainer despite the win conditions a win is a win. if you cant get it into your head that standing next to a spike pit, or a fire, or on the edge of a cliff is probably a bad idea.. If you cannot fathom that perhaps running onto this rickety bridge where i can be pushed off at a moments notice and fall to my death from either players letting off a slight sneeze. then you know what? maybe you arent as good as you think you are.

this games skill isnt about blocking attacks and mindlessly swinging in random directions.. guard breaking, throws, parrys are all essential game mechanics that if you dont learn, and if someone can perform better than you. you will lose. the more skilled opponent will win.

god you people get a grip on yourselves. if you were in a fight that was life or death would you accept dying because your worried about what other people thought? idiots.

This guy gets it, being good at domnion and being good at duels are two seperate things. Domnion and Deathmatch require good teamwork and communication to come out on top whereas duels are down to your knowledge of the fighting system. If a team doesn't work together and can't synergise then it's a lack of skill on your teams behalf. Taking advantage of your environment is just common sense when playing in 4v4, you have a team to assist so why wouldn't you look for the quickest way to dispatch your opponent? If my opponent cannot guard break reliably or isn't paying attention to their positioning then again, it's a lack of skill on their behalf.

Skill comes in many different ways, it's not just a case of knowing the fighting system. Same with any other game, in an FPS it's not enough to know how to aim, you need to be good at other aspects too.

[forrest0755]

See this guy gets it.


You can play however you want no one is saying you can't (Well I'm not) but you can't play like that and then come to the forums and say "man I can 2v1 and throw people off ledges all day with the best of them I am so good at this game"


Because you aren't.


You are good at fighting when you have the advantage of numbers which you SHOULD be good at and you are good at pressing a single button and shoving a player in a direction.


In order to be SKILLED at a game like this you need a bit more than ganging up on people and shoving people. You can WIN all day long, but WINNING has nothing to do with SKILL. It just so happens that the way to be considered skillful in this game goes along with the style of honor and fighting that this type of game can create.


If you can walk into 1v1 duel mode and win all day without shoving people off ledges then yes you are skilled at the game. If not then you are good at Dominion, but not necessarily skilled at the game.

And you are only apparently good at fighting on even playing fields, when you dont have to worry about situational and enviromental awareness. I have never calimed to be great at this game. I would consider myself decent. I play as a Raider, which probably puts me at a disadvatage, but I enjoy playing as him. But what I am good at, is tactics. Its an essential part to 4v4 modes.

There is nothing pompous about his statement. You're free to like a d-bag all you want, but the majority of us chose not to. Just don't act shocked when people call you out on it and your straw man arguments trying to justify your d-bag behavior.

He is acting like he is superior, he is acting self-important. That is literally the definition of being pompous. And here is something I don't understand. You people who are obsessed with honor speak out of both sides of your mouth. You will claim you can't play 4v4 without being ganked and say the community is toxic, but then turn around and say you are in the majority. Which is it? Are you the majority or not? Because if it is such a problem that you have to whine about it constantly, then clearly you aren't a majority. I will do a 1v1 duel in elimination. I almost always try to fight the person I spawn near first. But I will change that tactic if I have to. If you guys can't handle the tactical side of the 4v4 modes, then that is on you. I try to getting involved in more than a 2v1. 3v1 and 4v1 just turn into a **** show. But I am not gonna sit here and whine because people aren't abiding by arbitrary rules that I came up with. Learn how to handle fighting multiple people at once. I have been able to win 1v3's and 1v2's. If someone like me, who you "honorable people" clearly see as having inferior skills can handle it, surely you can. But that is just more of your hypocrisy. Claim to be more skilled, but can't handle being outnumbered.

[CoyoteXStarrk]

And you are only apparently good at fighting on even playing fields, when you dont have to worry about situational and enviromental awareness. I have never calimed to be great at this game. I would consider myself decent. I play as a Raider, which probably puts me at a disadvatage, but I enjoy playing as him. But what I am good at, is tactics. Its an essential part to 4v4 modes.

Um.....of course I prefer fighting on even playing fields.


No one goes into a competitive game and says "Golly gee I can't wait for three dudes to pin me in a corner and shove things in various places on my body. BUT HEY AT LEAST I CAN TRY TO FIGHT BACK RIGHT?!!?!?!?"

He is acting like he is superior, he is acting self-important. That is literally the definition of being pompous. And here is something I don't understand. You people who are obsessed with honor speak out of both sides of your mouth. You will claim you can't play 4v4 without being ganked and say the community is toxic, but then turn around and say you are in the majority. Which is it? Are you the majority or not? Because if it is such a problem that you have to whine about it constantly, then clearly you aren't a majority. I will do a 1v1 duel in elimination. I almost always try to fight the person I spawn near first. But I will change that tactic if I have to. If you guys can't handle the tactical side of the 4v4 modes, then that is on you. I try to getting involved in more than a 2v1. 3v1 and 4v1 just turn into a **** show. But I am not gonna sit here and whine because people aren't abiding by arbitrary rules that I came up with. Learn how to handle fighting multiple people at once. I have been able to win 1v3's and 1v2's. If someone like me, who you "honorable people" clearly see as having inferior skills can handle it, surely you can. But that is just more of your hypocrisy. Claim to be more skilled, but can't handle being outnumbered.

I am not whining. I have not whined once. You are just making crap up now.


I have literally TOLD you to play however you want lol


If you can walk into 1v1 duel mode and do well you are good at this game in my view. If the only time you do well in this game is when you are ganging up on players and shoving people off ledges then you by definition have less skill at the game from a mechanics standpoint.


Thats just facts man. I'm sorry that upsets you.


I have no issue fighting 1 v 2 or whatever the point I am making is that just because you gang up on people doesn't make you BETTER than those people. It means you can beat then when you outnumber them.


Good job you can win you clearly have the advantage in every way. You must be so proud lol



Meanhwhile us "Honorable" people prefer to beat people 1v1 so we can sit back say "Yes in a straight up fight I am better than that person" and if I can get a win that way even better. If I lose doing that then so be it. I take solace in the fact that I tried to be a better player.

[forrest0755]

Um.....of course I prefer fighting on even playing fields.


No one goes into a competitive game and says "Golly gee I can't wait for three dudes to pin me in a corner and shove things in various places on my body. BUT HEY AT LEAST I CAN TRY TO FIGHT BACK RIGHT?!!?!?!?"






I am not whining. I have not whined once. You are just making crap up now.


I have literally TOLD you to play however you want lol


If you can walk into 1v1 duel mode and do well you are good at this game in my view. If the only time you do well in this game is when you are ganging up on players and shoving people off ledges then you by definition have less skill at the game from a mechanics standpoint.


Thats just facts man. I'm sorry that upsets you.


I have no issue fighting 1 v 2 or whatever the point I am making is that just because you gang up on people doesn't make you BETTER than those people. It means you can beat then when you outnumber them.


Good job you can win you clearly have the advantage in every way. You must be so proud lol



Meanhwhile us "Honorable" people prefer to beat people 1v1 so we can sit back say "Yes in a straight up fight I am better than that person" and if I can get a win that way even better. If I lose doing that then so be it. I take solace in the fact that I tried to be a better player.

DOnt pretend to be good if you cant win a 1v2. You clearly said that you run from 1v2's, did you misspeak? Thats all I am saying. Or do you not like it when people make up abitrary rules on what being good is? Like I have said before, I try to avoid ganging up, and I like fighting 1v1, I am just sick of people like you acting all high and mighty, and whining, which you are very much doing.Im not pretending to be good because I can gang up on people. I almost nver use ledge kills either. I am just saying to take it down a notch, and if you are going to claim to be honorable, actually act honorable. An honorable perosn wouldnt insult others.

I relish in being ganged up on. Winning a 1v3 is vry rewarding

[CoyoteXStarrk]

DOnt pretend to be good if you cant win a 1v2. You clearly said that you run from 1v2's, did you misspeak? Thats all I am saying. Or do you not like it when people make up abitrary rules on what being good is? Like I have said before, I try to avoid ganging up, and I like fighting 1v1, I am just sick of people like you acting all high and mighty, and whining, which you are very much doing.Im not pretending to be good because I can gang up on people. I almost nver use ledge kills either. I am just saying to take it down a notch, and if you are going to claim to be honorable, actually act honorable. An honorable perosn wouldnt insult others.

You can be good at this game without choosing to fight in 1v2 situations lol I run because I like fair fights. I'm sorry if you don't like fair fights, but most people do.


I don't give 2 watery farts about the keyboard warriors on this site so of course I am not gonna be "Honorable" towards them. Most of them have sent me various PMs calling me everything from a scrublord to a "Goat ****er" (Not kidding) and most of them are trying to actively portray some of the BS tactics I am seeing as somehow skillful.


So no. They don't get respect from me. My opponents in the game? They get all of my respect until they show me they don't deserve it.

[Drazard_TCR]

Actually ive gone into multiple 2v2 duels and asked my teammate to back off in the first round multiple times so that i can fight uneven odds so i can practice and get better at the game.

[CoyoteXStarrk]

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I could not possibly disagree more

The more skilled people do not always win. If you won a match of elimination because you threw people off of a ledge or ganged up on people you aren't necessarily more skilled at the game. It just means you are better at taking advantage of the environment and better at ganging up on people.

If you can consistently beat other players in a 1v1 situation in an open area then you are more skillful at the game than someone who can't. Its that simple.

[CarnivalLaw]

You really nailed it here, Tony.

I love your idea of making it easier to rundown someone fleeing a losing fight.

The thing to be careful of is making it way too easy to catch up with a wounded opponent. Running while wounded is needed DESPERATELY from time to time.

[SnueGliffer]

I could not possibly disagree more

The more skilled people do not always win. If you won a match of elimination because you threw people off of a ledge or ganged up on people you aren't necessarily more skilled at the game. It just means you are better at taking advantage of the environment and better at ganging up on people.

If you can consistently beat other players in a 1v1 situation in an open area then you are more skillful at the game than someone who can't. Its that simple.

Taking advantage of the environment is a skill. If your opponent is not paying attention to their position or cannot guard break reliably then it is a lack of skill on their behalf. If they're playing a 4v4 and are unable to work together as a team then it's a lack of skill on their behalf. Skill doesn't just come down to who can parry better or who is better at mind games, it's not that simple. In a 4v4 game mode teamwork is important, it does not make you more skillfull to ignore this and inisist on 1v1s. The game modes require different styles of play, they each require different skill sets.

[Starcanum]

I could not possibly disagree more

The more skilled people do not always win. If you won a match of elimination because you threw people off of a ledge or ganged up on people you aren't necessarily more skilled at the game. It just means you are better at taking advantage of the environment and better at ganging up on people.

If you can consistently beat other players in a 1v1 situation in an open area then you are more skillful at the game than someone who can't. Its that simple.

"The game" includes environment and handling gank situations. You can't just disregard those aspects in your definition of "skill" and expect it to work. Yes, the big part of the skill is in the ability to consistently win the 1v1, but it's not even close to being "more skillful". If you can consistently beat other players in 1v1 in an open area but die 90% of the times when an environmental hazard is involved, you're definitely not more skillful at the game.