Serious Balancing issue - What do you have to say about this Ubi? | Forums

[neogeo___]

https://redd.it/5utcwp - x-post u/Kyoj1n ; r/forhonor

For me it's probably the biggest issue in terms of balance, one I've spotted throughout all the tests and that I can't believe hasn't been addressed yet nor is being discussed by the community. Even if you don't play all the classes you'd without a doubt have noticed it playing against them.

One thing is to be able to actively block, another is to be impossible to actively block and have such a disadvantage in some obviously broken match ups, favoring spam over skill and input timing.

Tweaks are desperately needed, duel is pretty much broken less than a week in, matchmaking doesn't help, connection only adds to the problem, but basic mechanics are what need priority fixing. C'mon Ubi.

[neogeo___]

Honestly surprised.

Serious issue with compelling proof linked provided by u/Kyoj1n on reddit and not a single post acknowledging how unbalanced this is.

Am I being naive by having hope in this community and wanting a balanced roster and mechanics for the future?

[ElisandeWarmalo]

Hey I am a raider main and can understand this more than anyone, I even made threads and frequently commented, but this forums and it's toxic braindead community don't help. So l decided to stick to reddit.

[Ragnar---]

Honestly surprised.

Serious issue with compelling proof linked provided by u/Kyoj1n on reddit and not a single post acknowledging how unbalanced this is.

Am I being naive by having hope in this community and wanting a balanced roster and mechanics for the future?

This forum just isn't interested in proper discussion about anything that doesn't involve memes or Orochi nerfs.

[KindMan2236]

how the **** should we know if that is imbalanced when the core mechanics are not working right at the moment? there are more pressing matters than this. Irrelevant what you think.

Another thing what sort of out of the *** measurement is this? If this would be measured in a non ******ed unit.. like frames, i would be more compelled to listen.

And yet another thing. what does it mean? Is a low number bad?
The battlefy tournament was won by a nobushi, and that was close. 3-2 against a warden.
Warden had a close match versus Peacekeeper
Nobushi had a close match versus warlord prior to finals..

So in what way does that have any relevance right now?

Perhaps you need to look at the moving pictures to illustrate to you the differences in block speed.


Warden: 12
Conqueror: 12
Peacekeeper: 13
Lawbringer: 4
Kensei: 13
Shogoki: 4
Orochi: 12
Nobushi: 4
Raider: 4
Warlord: 13
Berserker: 13
Valkyrie: 12

Knights:
https://gfycat.com/AntiqueCourageousFugu
Knights 50% speed:
https://gfycat.com/CheeryPhysicalGreatdane
Vikings:
https://gfycat.com/SilentShortGlobefish
Vikings 50% speed:
https://gfycat.com/MasculineInfantileKingbird
Samurai:
https://gfycat.com/FoolishPaltryAmazondolphin
Samurai 50% speed:
https://gfycat.com/ValidDistortedHuman
And then here are 3 of all the heroes together:
https://gfycat.com/ClosedSecondhandDrever
50% speed:
https://gfycat.com/LastingElaborateLabradorretriever
25% Speed:
https://gfycat.com/CautiousGlitteringGadwall

Now click on the links and you can see clearly some heroes shift block slower than some other heroes, I'm not sure if it's a balancing feature Ubisoft have chosen or it's just a placebo.

[kyoj1n]

While there hasn't been testing done quite yet on the validity of it I can really only see the reason for this to be in the game so that some characters have a harder time blocking attacks from other characters.

My logic in coming to that conclusion is that I can't find another reason for even having a difference of block speed in the game. If it doesn't matter why did the devs put it in there?

One of the reason I made the post/recorded the evidence was that as a Nobushi I felt I was getting wrecked by Orochi's light attacks coming from all sides. I then saw some people saying that they thought some characters might have slower block speeds, so I tested it.

[Tronny666]

Oh my god

[KindMan2236]

thanks for thinkin i am braindead. No. I asked:

So in what way does that have any relevance right now?

I don´t need you to repeat what the op already stated. I want a concrete answer on how that is a problem right now.

"And yet another thing. what does it mean? Is a low number bad? " I was answering your question by providing you with the material to give you the answer. Yes a low number is bad. It's a problem, not sure if it's as important more or less than any other problem but it's one that exists if it does what I think it does, there are issues with the game why should some take priority..? If a bug exists within a game or an issue whatever you want to call it, that issue should be addressed almost immediately and it usually does by other developers, I don't see how waiting for a patch with balance changes has any pertinence to issue resolvement, these should be two different things, issues with the game should take priority and balance changes should be part of bi-weekly or monthly patches.

The developers should set up a bugtracker so that the userbase can check to see whether an issue is being addressed or resolved.

[KindMan2236]

no one brought any proof that this IS an issue at all. Proof. Now.

It doesn't matter whether it is or isn't an issue or there is any proof that it makes a difference or not because neither you nor me has any proof to cooberate either claim. That doesn't mean you can dismiss it either, the burden of evidence is also on you. I say it'd be quite valuable to keep this thread active so that eventually someone from Ubisoft or the development team could answer this question.

[SuperMmeee]

Im maining Nobushi and I can clarify that left right spam from assassin is impossible to block if it hits once, the stragger and the guardswitch speed makes sure u will never be able to block again if u try to switch for everyhit, ur only hope is to hold one side and hope he hits there again. Also Im pretty sure this is also happening vs conqueror shieldbash + heavy if the heavy is hit from different direction than ur guard before the shieldbash, again u dont have time to block after the stagger if u have to switch the guard. Now does this have some deep balancing in mind? I dont think so. Nobushi is no way overpowered and has numerous disadvantageous matchups overall. So she most certainly is not in a need of such "balance". Nobushi relies 100% on ur enemy suking, she has no real offensive potential in her kit. Actually lets make this buff Nobushi thread.