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[WistyAro]

I prefer Peacekeeper myself. The aesthetic and the combat style are appealing, in spite of how fanciful she is. We can see how she fares without her bleed attack.

The criticisms of the Nobushi aren't so much direct at her bleed attack as they are towards her relative lack of drawbacks. She has extreme speed, she has reach, she has damage, she has bleed. The only two relatively minor drawbacks are her short dash/roll distance and her lower HP compared to sturdier characters.

I've suggested either removing bleed, or reducing speed on her to bring her in line. Let's face it, a Naginata is not the most balanced of weapons. It's going to be relatively unwieldy and slower compared to a sword or dagger.

reducing her speed could help in some cases, but her long range bleed pokes have fairly long windups and there are heroes in the game already fast enough to exploit that. I agree its a problem for some slower heroes though. if any of her moves do get a speed reduction i think poke the nest should be the first move to get it.

Overall im afraid of the idea of slowing a hero's attack speed overall, because in the current state of the game defensive play is overpowered and parrying is entirely too easy. slowing down moves will only make this defensive play more prevalent.

[Alpha-0mega-]

From a completely aesthetic standpoint I don't like the wardens free double light attacks.

It doesn't make sense that he can swing a sword that looks that heavy down and then back up that quickly.

I'm fine with the damage it does but it just looks weird.

Swords really aren't that heavy, it wouldn't be completely surprising to see someone be able to do that, albeit maybe at slightly slower speed. It's closer to realism than the slow telegraphed moves that literally every class has, you'd get stabbed in real life if you even tried that one single time.

On the other hand, both are understandable from a game balance point of view.

[Te_Wheke]

I always thought it weird a greatsword wielder can attack so fast too, since greatsword wielders would overpower with the strength of their blows from the heavier weapon rather than relying on faster blows since long and shortswords were much quicker in the hands of the average wielder (typically greatswords were used by much stronger Knights too though).

[CaptainPwnet]

I know your name. You just got your **** pushed in recently in another thread by someone else and I think it actually covered this exact topic! You were left looking like an idiot.

Except he's right, all of your issues with these classes really do boil down to "git gud". Orochi and Nonushi are 2 of the more balanced classes while zerker is actually one of the worst classes in the game.

Zerkers attacks are EASILY the slowest of all the assassins so how is it you have issue with him and not PK? Not to mention PK does more damage per attack than zerker discounting his top heavy which is slow as hell. You even talked about his uninteruptable feature, yet in mid-high level play I would be quite surprised if you even ever see it. I even play zerker, prest whatever in tests and prest 3 now in launch. Anyone decent will block or parry you by the 3rd attack at the latest, even if you feint lol. If anything his attacks need to be faster, or give him an unblockable, one or the other or both and then I imagine he might be balanced.

Same goes for kensei. not sure what you are talking about attack spam. If a kensei tries to spam attacks he gets parried really easy. Where he is now is pretty good, not the greatest for 1v1 but can get some nice hits in teamfights.

[GenLiu]

I disagree with most of those rework things. For me personally the balance of the game isn't nearly as bad as people claim it to be.
About the Orochi and the Nobushi it's just a matter of knowing how to beat them. A lot of people think that they can deal with everyone as soon as they know how to play their character.

This is not true, each character has to be dealt a very specific way and you don't fight a Kensei like you would fight a Warlord for example. The problem of a lot of players is that, some match up are more "extreme" than some others and here comes the bunch of persons crying about some classes being OP.

I'm playing 3 classes (Kensei, Lawbringer and Nobushi) and when I play the latest I noticed that a good 8O% of players keep their distance from me and don't even try to pressure me....This is a mistake, the Nobushi is a zoning character, you HAVE to close the distance and be the aggressor, otherwise you're as good as dead.

The Orochi is a counter character, just like the Nobushi there is some thing you need not to do. Like spamming your attacks on him for example, let him come to you and trick him in his own game.

Now, everything clear, I'm not saying that those two characters are not strong, they're definitely among the best character of the game right now BUT they're not nearly as ridiculous as some people think and if Ubi decide to nerf them they have to be very smart about how they do that, because nerfing them too much would send them straight down to oblivion (which would be terrible since this game highly encourage peoples to main 1 specific character rather than playing multiple).

The only change that would be acceptable would be to slightly lower the damage of the orochi and the bleed damage of the Nobushi. Making them weaker than that would make them unplayable against peoples who actually know how to deal with them.

The Kensei and the Berserker are just completely fine, I don't see any reason to readjust them at all (like come on, the Berserker is struggling with a lot of match up, don't hurt him more than that and leave his infinite combo loop as it is).

[DeFoTheD]

Ubi made some disbalance for Kensei and Nobushi in main combos. Very fast attacks with effects (Nubashi: bleed, Kensei: Unblockable attacks). Remove this effects from main combos and place it on another actions.
Orochi: so fast with very easy UNBLOCKABLE attacks. Remove this perk for attacks and OK
Warden: double light attack its unrealistic. You never can repeat this action with speed like in the game.
Valkyria: how about make Spear Swap like simple action (not in combo)?
Warborn and Conqueror: I see some trouble with shield attack in run. So many time this attack don't hit enemyes.

[Knight_Raime]

I don't agree at all. And some of your replies make me question your understanding about the game. or at the very least your skill.

~orochi. Most of his attacks are uppers. which makes predicting him easier than most. He's only got 1 initiating move which is super punishable.
I don't see why you want to remove his ability to get a heavy off of a GB. Pretty sure everyone can. Not everyone can get a top heavy. but those heros usually have more going for them.
his only 2 fast attacks are his upper lights and his zone. both of which are predictable enough to block.

~Kensei literally has no way to open people up. if you're being beaten by simple spam that's really a L2P issue.

~Nobushi is plenty balanced. You can dodge her unblockable kick and normal one easily. her hidden stance (which is needed in higher level play) takes a ton of stamina. Also if you get in her face she's screwed. her throw distance is also very. very awful.

~Zerker? really? ok. his ability to combo till out of stamina doesn't mean much when you can stop them super easily. Oh. and other heros have combos you can do till you exhaust your stamina. Zerker if anything requires the most amount of effort in the game to get anywhere when you fight a decent player.

Warden is basically the god in this game. mainly because of her vortex but still. And warlord is easily second. Both characters have far more mix up potential then the rest of the heros. both have attacks that are almost unrealistic to deal with. Both have absurd defensive abilities. PK is the only assassin that is even worth mentioning in top tier play. and even then she's currently bugged and gets shut down by a good amount of people. Raider, valk, maaaaaybe lawbringer are the heros who need help.

The only heros i'd say absolutely need nerfing is warden and warlord. Perhaps shugoki as well. but too early to tell. Warden just needs a removal of vortex. and warlord's headbutt needs another nerf. every hero can be tweaked to be improved. but no one is stupidly OP. Even the warden isn't when you don't use the vortex.

[Vanraalte89]

Okay, so I've been playing since the Closed Alpha, even back then we all knew that the Orochi was easily the most overpowered of the classes. Too much going for it and not enough drawbacks. It's fast, it's high damage, it's flexible, it has excellent weapon reach and attacks that lunge it forward to help further increase that reach.

While the Orochi does have the drawback of lower health, it's only slightly lower than that of a Warden.

Very little, it seems, has been done since the Alpha to curb the ridiculous nature of this class.

I'd suggest a reduction in attack damage, since speed is a necessity for this classes function.



The Kensei: This is a more recent offender since his HP boost + his new overhead light attack chain allowing him nearly imperceptible and spammable attacks.

The Nobushi: What more can be said? This character has high bleed damage (that actually frackin' works!), moderately high damage, stupidly long reach with her Naginata, and low HP. None of these things would be so bad if it weren't for the fact that her attacks are also blindingly fast, making her fast on the list of classes that are irritating and broken.


The Berserker: This class is on the list simply for the current trend of the spammable and infinite attack chains, which wouldn't be so bad if they were just a little bit slower, granting time to recognize the incoming attack and block.





On first glance one might say "You're only complaining about the Samurai faction!" and they'd only be partially correct, but not for the obvious reasons of bias or discontent with them. No the issues run deep and many with this faction. From their lightning quick attacks, to the high damage they have, to the few drawbacks they have in turn for each class.

The Samurai faction is easily the most fanciful of the factions, as the swordsmanship and combat styles of each class are well off into the extremes of a Weeaboo's anime fueled wet dream.

While I can admit that certain aspects of other factions are fanciful (looking at you Peacekeeper for your agility and combat style) and (don't think I didn't notice you Lawbringer with your fantasy plate armor that covers literally every inch) . Even the Berserker in fanciful in nature by his attacks that hang a long hang-time. Who the hell floats in the air like that?


What sold me on this game was a brutal and somewhat realistic interpretation of feudal melee combat. This is broken by several classes and to a point most of a single faction.

orochi nerf is needed, literally 50 % of the ppl i play with/against online pick this class, if that doesn't tell you something i don't know what will

[RLTygurr]

One thing I need to mention: Peacekeeper and Warden zone attacks need to be nerfed. Either in damage, or speed. PK zone attack is pretty much instantaneous and can be instantly cancelled into either another zone or a gb or a combo. Warden zone attack is just annoyingly quick for such a large weapon. Longswords average around 4 pounds, but the logic(I know, don't use logic in a game) but the sword used by the Warden is more of a bastard sword, which is like 10-15 pounds easily. Shouldn't be able to swing that fast.

[Bob__Gnarly]

orochi nerf is needed, literally 50 % of the ppl i play with/against online pick this class, if that doesn't tell you something i don't know what will

Orochi is one of the easiest classes in the game to parry and punish. I hope more people start using him, more easy games.