Shugoki Back Break Needs to Change | Forums

[LunarMammal369]

on one hand, the move is extremely telegraphed and easy to dodge-- on top of that it does a huge chunk of damage to the shugoki if he misses

but on the other hand, demon's embrace literally punishes the shug's opponent for doing well against him

on top of that, few things chap as many asses as a shugoki death hug in the middle of a 1 vs more-than-one situation

+100

I can't remember how many times I've hug those revenge mode guys to death in Dominion! Rofl.

[Deus_Wulf]

1. Its not always possible to fight in open field since some of the Duel arenas were made by drunken monkeys.
2. His light attacks are fairly fast
3. It doesnt matter if hes slow when 1 failed GB or 1 parry from Shugoki near wall means death from 100% HP. Thats stupid game design.

Only when he is at 1 health bar, you make it sound like its 100% kill every time, when it's not and when he is low it's relatively easy to bait him or stop him from using it and that is where you fail.
It's not stupid design if there is high risk value for the skill. You should not get grabbed by him in the first place, you just have to get better and learn to fight against shugoki + learn GB.

I used to play shugoki a lot and its super easy to deal with them once you learn how to play against them.

[RedStar105]

That move should only one shot if the enemy is out of stamina.

[LunarMammal369]

That move should only one shot if the enemy is out of stamina.

Fat chance on that. Being a shugoki main, I have missed countless Demon Embrace because the opponent can still literally run around when they are out of stamina.

[GLR476]

The move is about the slowest in the game, and very telegraphed. The Shug puts his club on the ground and then starts to move, plenty of time for you to dodge out if you are watching for it, then drop a light attack barrage to put out damage on him quickly. As mentioned, if he misses he loses a large chunk of health. If he tries this on low health its a desperation move, and one you should easily be able to avoid if you're looking for it.

If you're struggling against him then I'd suggest that you go and play a few games with him, or against bots. Once you learn what he can do I find he's fairly easy to counter.

It does seem weird that you can be attacked by team mates whilst the Shugoki has you though. That should be changed.

Problem for me isn't reading the move. I read it and dodge days in advance but apparently the game penalizes you for dodging faster and the shugoki somehow does a 90 turn after missing you and grabs you anyway. This is completely broken and stupid beyond belief. It doesn't even look natural or human.

Speaking of unnatural and stupid... how do I WATCH my spear sweep go through players legs? Really damn simple UBI, if spear sweep hits their legs they should fall.

[ShrimpSpy]

This is 100% incorrect. It's easily predictable when they will do it, it's easy to bait one into it, they lose 30% HP when doing it and it misses, and they also are open for a lot of attacks from an enemy if it lands, and the enemy if it misses. It's easily punishable, and is really only worthwhile in a 1v1 situation. The attack is really used to end a combo or start one up in duels. And if the shugoki is at critical it will always one hit, but it will leave them to be one hit if they miss. Shugoki is meant to be a hard hitter and disabler, which is exactly what he does with Demons Embrace (or the backbreak as you call it). This does not need to be changed at all. If you can't dodge it you need to play someone like Kensei or Raider who can easily dodge when nessecary as they attack from far away. All in all he doesn't need a nerf. Shugoki is very balanced right now and can absolutely destroy someone like you who doesn't know how to counter him. So shut up and quit whining about a completely balanced hero.

[ShrimpSpy]

Hey, ever heard of using cover, high ground, or even dodging the other way. He doesn't do that 90 degree turn as you say I main him and I use it all the time, and that never happens. Shugoki Demons embrace is fine quit whining.

[ShrimpSpy]

No it's not OP it's heavily telegraphed and easily countered, making the Shugoki lose 30% HP, and then you can turn around and land a heavy or two depending on the speed of your heroes attacks. It's only really beneficial to the Shugoki if he shoves you in a corner, and if you are playing against a shugoki to the point where he can do that you need to get better. Shugoki is balanced, the only real change I can see is the critical health Demons Embrace one hit, which I think is OP and I main the fat man.

[ShrimpSpy]

I sincerely hope you're baiting right now because he isn't OP. He's a disabler and he does just that. Not only do I main him and believe that demons embrace needs tweaking because it is out of place in a game like FH, but he doesn't need other nerfs, demons embrace is it. You need to get over yourself and realize that if you can't beat a shugoki who is constantly Demons a bracing you're a **** player.

[AkenoKobayashi]

If anything changes with the Embrace, it needs to be a trade off with the insta kill at low HP with self damage on miss. No instant kill, no self damage.

Also, can I report Shrimp for posting four times in a row instead of simply editing his damn post?