Shugoki Back Break Needs to Change | Forums

[IrinDeste]

No real penalty? you mean aside from the 30% life when it misses? the recovery of what feels like over a second? The fact that you ALSO can be hit during your move?

You cant be hit during that move - In fact Shugoki can use this grab animation in the middle of a unblockable heavy attack. Let alone the fact that it one shots you - how is that move not nerfd yet Please.

[Ferrio]

You cant be hit during that move - In fact Shugoki can use this grab animation in the middle of a unblockable heavy attack. Let alone the fact that it one shots you - how is that move not nerfd yet Please.

You're wrong.

You can hit a shugoki out of his grab if his super armor is down. Also he cannot cancel his unblockable into his grab, only his regular heavy. If you hear him yell, that means it's his unblockable and he's committed to it.

[Ausweisen]

Honestly, Shugoki players have their work cut out for them. I wouldn't say there is a "Pure OP" class right now. What would be more accurate to say is there is a "Competency Check" with about half the classes that test how well you learned to parry/dodge and GB. Does that make it any less annoying for our new brothers and sisters joining the game? Nope! and if I was them, I'd be pretty pissed off too. Best I can say when it comes to that, abuse the hell out of practice mode. I spent an hour doing GBs with my eyes closed and another 30 with them open just so I could get it down and I am STILL not 100% with it, but I am bloody way better than I was before. Same with parries.


TL;DR Utilize the modified 7 P's in For Honor. "Prior Proper Practice Prevents Piss Poor Performance"

[nf_Straydog]

By all means. I invite EVERYONE who thinks this class or even this move is OP to play this class at least to prestige 2 and see what you think after that. There's a LOT of misinformation and misunderstanding going around about this class.

I have played this class to rep 2 and I can honestly say that I think it is the strongest class in the game currently. Not because of devil hug, although I do think insta-kill devil hug is cheese as hell. Turn any wall into a cliff when you're low on HP, klol

[alexbib]

The back break is very slow and easy to avoid (and punish). Doesn't really work against people who are careful. If anything it needs to come out faster.

[Ferrio]

The back break is very slow and easy to avoid (and punish). Doesn't really work against people who are careful. If anything it needs to come out faster.

You can combo into it from a wallsplat though, so it being slow is a moot point since there are guaranteed setups.

[Butonfly]

only thing I hate bout the attack, is when your winning have full health, he's on a nat's piss of health and gets that back break move as you go in for the kill and, he kills you with one move, that is total bollocks

You mean like this?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DFNNBYnMxsU

Full health 1 hit KO

[Deus_Wulf]

All the people whining here about the skill don't know how it is a huge gamble to use the Demon Embrace. It is so slow and easy to avoid and will give shugoki lots of penalty if he fails it.

Shugoki is one of the most balanced classes in this game.
Blocking and movement is really slow, which is huge penalty in this game, that is why shugoki has lots of dmg and risky gameplay.
Good berserker, peacekeeper and warden are huge counter to shugoki. They can hit faster than shugoki can change guard.

[Deus_Wulf]

Move is stupidly OP and really doesn't belong in a game like For Honor.

No other class has a move that heals them outside of feats. No other class has a move that can literally 1 shot. He has both on an unblockable move with stupidly high range and obnoxious tracking.

Then on top of this you have shugoki's super armor which is so stupidly easy to get back due to the fact that there is really no way to counter someone who just dodges backwards...

When he has his super armor there is literally only 2 options for a player. You can either go for a parry or go for a GB. Any other action is an instant loss.

And oh yeah he also has a tech that drains 100%!!!! of your stamina in a single blow and can crush you for like 80 damage in a single swing.

I've luckily never met a great Shugoki player, but I'm seriously considering starting to play him myself seeing all the cheesy garbage he can do.

You only look and say about the positive side of the skill. You can lose same amount of health if you miss the attack, and its not unblockable, you can literally interrupt him and stop him from doing it since its so slow charge. Also I've seen conqueror interrupt my charge with his charge. There is so many bugs with the charge that it doesn't work well and is very risky to use. And did you know that this "super armor" goes away with one hit and it makes shugoki take double dmg? Did you know that shugoki has low stamina regen and most of his attacks take almost half of the stamina, which also means that you cannot dodge roll like other samurais all the time. If you cannot catch shugoki, I have no idea wtf is wrong with you. Please learn to fight against shugoki before complaining how op it is lol.

[Seven.One]

You only look and say about the positive side of the skill. You can lose same amount of health if you miss the attack, and its not unblockable, you can literally interrupt him and stop him from doing it since its so slow charge. Also I've seen conqueror interrupt my charge with his charge. There is so many bugs with the charge that it doesn't work well and is very risky to use. And did you know that this "super armor" goes away with one hit and it makes shugoki take double dmg? Did you know that shugoki has low stamina regen and most of his attacks take almost half of the stamina, which also means that you cannot dodge roll like other samurais all the time. If you cannot catch shugoki, I have no idea wtf is wrong with you. Please learn to fight against shugoki before complaining how op it is lol.

This guy understands it. The goki is far from OP, the reason why people are crying about him is because his playstyle is unique compared to other heroes. You need to play and act accordingly based on his stance (super armor), or you will lose everytime you trade. The hug is the most telegraphed move in the game and it's easy to avoid even in tight areas if you know what you're doing. Play the class so you can have a good understanding of how he works and what works against him. Complaining just because you see him do great things does not mean anything if you have not done your homework to understand his capabilities. Goki is my main and i can tell you it eats noobs for breakfast, but has a low skill ceiling when compared to other heroes.