Shugoki Back Break Needs to Change | Forums

[Iskaroth]

By all means. I invite EVERYONE who thinks this class or even this move is OP to play this class at least to prestige 2 and see what you think after that. There's a LOT of misinformation and misunderstanding going around about this class.

Oh pls...Shugoki is OP and will be nerfed 100% if Ubisoft wants to even pretend there is some balance between classes. The only reason he isnt popular is because not many people want to play as ugly ******.

[Edthebed]

Speaking as someone who never plays as Shugoki, I do think the move should use tweaking because the class is, if anything, too weak right now. Healing and instant kills feel so out of place in the game that they tend to annoy their opponents, which makes them sort of anti-fun, but the move eats up so much of the Shugoki's power budget that everything else about the class has to be incredibly underpowered to compensate. The attacks are slow that you can see a Shugoki start a heavy, wait a tic, and then start your own light attack and still hit first. Plus it feels like Shugoki run out of stamina with every attack which is really easy to punish.

I appreciate that Ubi needs to do experimental things with the classes if they want to be able to add more and maintain diversity, but the Shugoki seems to have too many tricks and not enough fundamental strength.

[Myrnodyne]

Oh pls...Shugoki is OP and will be nerfed 100% if Ubisoft wants to even pretend there is some balance between classes. The only reason he isnt popular is because not many people want to play as ugly ******.

What an insightful, liberating and constructive post, I commend you sir, 10/10.

[Ferrio]

Speaking as someone who never plays as Shugoki, I do think the move should use tweaking because the class is, if anything, too weak right now. Healing and instant kills feel so out of place in the game that they tend to annoy their opponents, which makes them sort of anti-fun, but the move eats up so much of the Shugoki's power budget that everything else about the class has to be incredibly underpowered to compensate. The attacks are slow that you can see a Shugoki start a heavy, wait a tic, and then start your own light attack and still hit first. Plus it feels like Shugoki run out of stamina with every attack which is really easy to punish.

I appreciate that Ubi needs to do experimental things with the classes if they want to be able to add more and maintain diversity, but the Shugoki seems to have too many tricks and not enough fundamental strength.

You undersell the character. I'm at my 2nd prestige and stick to duels only and I'd put the character around top 5. I'd also agree that the backbreaker instant killing needs to be taken out, as it's overkill for a move that's already great.

Besides the backbreaker the shugoki's headbutt, demon ball and super armor are amazing. Running out of stamina shouldn't be an issue unless you tossing out heavys constantly and getting parried.

[Edthebed]

You undersell the character. I'm at my 2nd prestige and stick to duels only and I'd put the character around top 5. I'd also agree that the backbreaker instant killing needs to be taken out, as it's overkill for a move that's already great.

Besides the backbreaker the shugoki's headbutt, demon ball and super armor are amazing. Running out of stamina shouldn't be an issue unless you tossing out heavys constantly and getting parried.

Good point, I've heard a few streamers talking about how strong the Shugoki is as well. Maybe I'm just in a skill range right now where the Shugoki is awkward, people have seen the tricks enough to counter them but still aren't feinting or managing stamina very well.

[LunarMammal369]

By all means. I invite EVERYONE who thinks this class or even this move is OP to play this class at least to prestige 2 and see what you think after that. There's a LOT of misinformation and misunderstanding going around about this class.

+1

[LUIGI-PR]

Hi guys just want to know what build is good for Shugoki thanks.

[Kaotic_CipherTV]

The grab is way OP, if you dont think it is, you have no idea its potential. I've literally witnessed a Shugoki on my team 1 hit from death grab a full HP Orochi WITH DEFENSE BUFF on and ONE SHOT him. I all for a move being super punishing for the speed and animation time. However, this is way too excessive. I don't mind the heal either, i think it can be toned down a bit but not nerfed out.

[darksavior1977]

This attack is unblockable, does a lot of damage, has no real penalty to use, allows quite a while for him to do a follow up heavy, and allows the Shugoki's teammates to attack during the animation and the fall. It needs to be changed.

Either it needs to be able to be blocked, or have the damage reduced. At the very least, make it so the Shugoki's allies cannot do damage during the animation of the attack.

If I'm missing something, let me know, but the only (ONLY) way to counter this is to time a dodge perfectly.

The attack is unblockable, but it can be hit, and it can be dodged/rolled away from, it also has the world's longest wind up. It has a huge cost if missed and deals damage to the Shugoki. The hitting from his allies is in the same category of disabling as the Lawbringer's Long Arm, that allows for the same.

[darksavior1977]

Hi guys just want to know what build is good for Shugoki thanks.

The same build that is good for all classes, revenge mode. Get into it fast, stay in it, and take less damage and do more damage while there. It is the one and only thing anyone should build for.