Getting really sick of the Shugoki | Forums

[PanzerShrekonin]

Shugoki is weak against any fast attacker. Warden, PK, Noobosi, Orochi etc etc.


He will smash conqs. He will smash lawbringers. Its much harder for slower characters to deal with him.

That being said hes not OP... just take down his uninterruptable stance and screw with him. he dies very quickly once his shield is down.

[StrikeQ]

-It's EXTREMELY easy to dodge

I always see this as a response to this ability. In CB/OBT this would've been true (although Shugoki wasn't in those) but in release not so much. Only time I've been able to dodge is if I'm ~15'+ away from him. Otherwise the "lock on/homing" feature screws me over. I've even seen it do a 90° turn and grab me after a dodge. This isn't just for the Shugoki either. I had a valk do a 180° around a corner to hit me with their charge.

So for me, no it is not easy to dodge.

[WarChild7908]

that class is so broken it's not even funny.

all 3 of the classes that were left out of most of the test sessions are messed up and need lots of work. but the Shugoki is the real problem, the other 2 are underpowered. but the Shugoki is just ridiculously strong, and you can't do alot to counter his kit either.

are you kidding me. I only use the shugoki and I get my *** kicked by light armored faster opponents. enemies like the valkarie the peace keeper and the obushi are extremely hard to defeat because they have speed on the shugoki. with constant attacks dodging and stunning the shugoki are easily killed dude.

[WarChild7908]

I always see this as a response to this ability. In CB/OBT this would've been true (although Shugoki wasn't in those) but in release not so much. Only time I've been able to dodge is if I'm ~15'+ away from him. Otherwise the "lock on/homing" feature screws me over. I've even seen it do a 90° turn and grab me after a dodge. This isn't just for the Shugoki either. I had a valk do a 180° around a corner to hit me with their charge.

So for me, no it is not easy to dodge.

see thing is though while you play as the shugoki its difficult to defend against faster opponents. for example you pin the valkyrie
her heavy attacks are faster than the shugokis fasted attack making it harder to move the kanabo to defend

[secrecy274]

Shugoki have a huge disadvantage against faster opponents in a straight up fight, on the other hand he have a massive advantage over the slower characters.

[FirestormX5]

that class is so broken it's not even funny.

all 3 of the classes that were left out of most of the test sessions are messed up and need lots of work. but the Shugoki is the real problem, the other 2 are underpowered. but the Shugoki is just ridiculously strong, and you can't do alot to counter his kit either.

if I beat a Shugoki I feel lucky, not thinking of my skill...I fear those things..thats how bad it is and I consider my skill very good in this game

[xLeapingLizardx]

Some things about the Shugoki (I don't think he is exactly OP though) that concern me are:

His guard break abilities from his hyper armor... I guess I still need to test it but if he has hyper armor can he guard break you even if you use a light attack? I have fought a few Shugoki's and all they basically did was just guard break heavy guard break heavy and it kept going through... So now the way I fight Shugokis now is to guard break them just to get their hyper armor off, then I have room to work. It works alright but is quite annoying to have to do that often. (every 4 seconds right?)

I see that everyone talks about his demons embrace (I think that's what the hug is called) is slow and super telegraphed and is risky... But the problem with that move in my opinion is the automatic connect from a wall stun. So the Shugoki basically has the most beneficial wall stun follow up. Does good damage, heals, and might even one shot if the Shugoki was low enough. There ave been many times where I am whittling down a Shugoki just for him to get in 1 guard break, damage me, and heal all the damage I was able to pull off on him.

Last thing that urks me about the Shugoki is he little run thing.. You can be thrown even if you roll? There were times Shugoki would just wait on a bridge to cheese run everyone off. I would try to bait it and roll away but it would still catch me and I'd be thrown off. If that is intended then whatever I guess but it just doesn't seem right in my opinion.