Orochi Is Terrible In Higher Levels Of Play | Forums

[Deathdrawn]

Let's take a look at Orochi's moveset and identify every single thing wrong with it, and show why Orochi is just a bad version of the Peacekeeper.

Advantages over Peacekeeper:
Light attacks are quick and top lights guarantee a second hit

Annnnnd that's it.

Peacekeeper has heavy side attacks that track better than Orochi's, a faster forward dash attack (and it's heavy), has a triple stab guard break bleed combo, and can combo almost all of her heavy attacks with a light attack that adds bleed.

Now that we're done explaining why Orochi is bad in comparison to Peacekeeper, let's discuss Orochi's moveset, and why it is easily the worst in the game.

Crosswind Slashes, Lightning Strikes Twice, Tidal Wave Slashes. - These are all fine, just chains.

Crashing Wave is pretty irrelevant, which is fine because it's an out of guard ability.

Riptide Strike. Oh boy. This one has to be the most infuriating one in the moveset. The backstep is so small, and the move is very slow. I imagine you're supposed to use it as an enemy performs a heavy attack, but the backstep is so small that determining what position you have to be in to use it and not get hit / not miss the target is near impossible. The backstep also seems a bit delayed, so that doesn't help the ability at all.

Storm Rush. This one, while maybe not the most infuriating, is (almost) the most useless. It's a noob stomper at best. 99.9% of the time, you will get parried, and it's almost a guaranteed block. This is basically a slower but viable replacement for Riptide Strike when an enemy throws a heavy attack at you. It is completely useless in any other scenario.

Lightning Strike. It's the Peacekeeper's jump, except it's a light attack, and it's slower.....yeah. Wow. It still works sometimes, but it's really easy to block. Maybe that would be okay if the rest of the moveset wasn't so bad.

Zephyr Slash. This one is mostly okay. I'm kinda' content with it where it's at.

Wind Gust. Wind gust is actually pretty good, but it does next to no damage. For something so hard to pull off, it feels very un-rewarding.

And now, Hurricane Blast. I recall this being good at one point in time, but now it is so incredibly slow that even if you manage to proc the deflect and start it, the enemy can literally hit you with a light attack and it cancels, or they can just dodge it. It's easily the MOST useless part of the moveset. Orochi doesn't need a straight damage buff by any means, but these moves are just so disappointing. If you're gonna' change Orochi, take baby steps, because Orochi definitely isn't terrible by any means, but against a good player she is a very bad choice.

[Avak1827]

Really? You think that?

Orochi is a counter hero, his abilities are mostly used to counter attack. If you know when and how to use them, they're stupid good. And with his counter attack move which when you dodge into an attack and follow with a counter attack, is just one reason why he's more than viable at high tears.

+ Plus: Right now he's ****ing overpowered anyway. As he's gotten faster, and side dodges are free now, sure, free for everyone. But the lights gain the most from this for obvious reasons. Right now, because of that, tanks are useless. He can easily destroy any tank, and most anyone else. The only counter to him is himself or peacekeeper.

[SeveronJ]

Really? You think that?

Orochi is a counter hero, his abilities are mostly used to counter attack. If you know when and how to use them, they're stupid good. And with his counter attack move which when you dodge into an attack and follow with a counter attack, is just one reason why he's more than viable at high tears.

+ Plus: Right now he's ****ing overpowered anyway. As he's gotten faster, and side dodges are free now, sure, free for everyone. But the lights gain the most from this for obvious reasons. Right now, because of that, tanks are useless. He can easily destroy any tank, and most anyone else. The only counter to him is himself or peacekeeper.

lol what - you must not play with him at all. This is the total opposite of what he is. At release, he is extremely under powered. He doesn't even have his old cancel on the back step while running in... although Warden can cancel shoulder charge into GB like so many other chars. Orochi is in a bad place at launch for sure.

[Avak1827]

lol what - you must not play with him at all. This is the total opposite of what he is. At release, he is extremely under powered. He doesn't even have his old cancel on the back step while running in... although Warden can cancel shoulder charge into GB like so many other chars. Orochi is in a bad place at launch for sure.

Right now, he's far too good. I've ganked one at full health while he was just at a bar and couldn't touch him (of course, I was lawbringer, but it just highlights how useless the tanks are right now). The Light heroes in general are just ****ing off their rocker right now. They have unlimted sidestep and I know this because I fought AI who knew it and abused the **** out of it. It side stepped 3 times in a row in the same direction to avoid light attacks and had i kept swinging it would have kept dodging. The only reason it stopped dashing was I stopped swinging. And as Kensai my side heavy having an arch used to be able to catch an Orochi who abused his side dash, but now he's moves faster and is already behind me as I finish my swing.

Orochi has gotten a buff, not a nerf. I've played enough of him and the rest of the roster to know it.

[Deathdrawn]

I do think that. Orochi is nowhere near overpowered. You obviously do not play Orochi, or else you would know that Orochi only stomps on people with very poor reaction time. You've offered no valid arguments against the deep explanation i've made as to why most of the abilities in Orochi's moveset are bad. If you're having trouble playing against a certain character, switch over to them and play them to level 20, preferably in 1v1s, after practicing their combos in practice mode. You'll find out very quickly what you're doing wrong against them and what to avoid doing against them. Nothing is particularly overpowered right now except conquerors maybe, but that's my biased opinion and I personally haven't played conqueror yet, so I'm not going to say they're overpowered.

EDIT: If you're having trouble playing as a tank character: parry + GB. It's how you win against assassins. The fact that you are basing some of your experience off of playing against an AI Orochi is sad, because bots are absolutely perfect at blocking and dodging, but they make up for it by being completely predictable, and running themselves out of stamina. It sounds like you need to practice parries.

[SiestaYonJyuGo]

Anything that isn't warden right now is terrible in high tier play. Though orochi is deffinitely higher on the scale. Shugoki and lawbringer are completely useless.

[SeveronJ]

Referencing "I played AI and he..." disqualifies all your opinions. That isn't a human.

[Avak1827]

I do think that. Orochi is nowhere near overpowered. You obviously do not play Orochi, or else you would know that Orochi only stomps on people with very poor reaction time. You've offered no valid arguments against the deep explanation i've made as to why most of the abilities in Orochi's moveset are bad. If you're having trouble playing against a certain character, switch over to them and play them to level 20, preferably in 1v1s, after practicing their combos in practice mode. You'll find out very quickly what you're doing wrong against them and what to avoid doing against them. Nothing is particularly overpowered right now except conquerors maybe, but that's my biased opinion and I personally haven't played conqueror yet, so I'm not going to say they're overpowered.

How dare you tell me Conquerer is Overpowered. My friend mained him, and he I watched him **** Orochis, and actually hold his own in 3v1s. Now he can't even defeat AI as his character anymore. His main got screwed hard.

And Orochi isn't possible to deal with. He's gotten faster on every level. I've beaten them before. it's about timing and playing defensive over offensive and letting them get aggressive. But now all they need to do is just dodge, dodge, dodge and the spin they're joystick while hit light attack. The larger charcter's especially had their block reaction times nerfed. And the mediums are the only ones that can keep up as long as you're not off beat. But even if you stop just the spam attacks. They'll still spin circles around you. Orochi is not bad, it's damn near too good.

Hell, all i want right now is make dodge cost stamina again. That's enough nerf for most of them for now.

[Avak1827]

Referencing "I played AI and he..." disqualifies all your opinions. That isn't a human.

The fact of the matter i was making, was that even a computer was able to see how broken it was and used it. If you're not aware, the A.I. are arguably better then most of the people at this game, because i guess you haven't played them yet. But save campaign, in which realistic is a joke. The A.I. actually got harder.

But even if. If they're worse, the fact that the A.I. was able to just get away with something so simple and it couldn't be countered because everyone else is just too damn slow, just goes to show what the hell a player can do with the same move set.

So forgive me, but screw your high and mighty opinion. I'll debate only if you counter argue, not throw away the argument. That's a terrible Fallacy on your part.

[D3ATHWOLF]

i dont have all that much of a probly with orochi as cant usaly win unless i have laps of jugment and do stupid things like guard break when the enermys started there heavy attack the only problem i have is with Hurricane Blast

orochi as of right now is fine and the only buff orochi needs is a small shield to negate 1 light hit like when you drop a smoke bomb and get a small shield so that you dont just deflect and then get smacked in the back because the enermy is spaming light attacks

and to people saying orochi is OP learn how to block or PARRY as if you deplet orochi's Stamina well only thing you can do is block and parry as attacking is so dam slow and you cant do any moveset's