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[DDSDevilDog]

Thanks for the info and tips in this thread. It has really helped me and yesterday I had two duels against experienced Orochi that I won pretty definitively. Please take a look at these and would appreciate any feedback on what I could do better, aside from countering GB. Still having trouble with that.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=1VEBWoVyO5w

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=MsCETfEw-uU

[ZechsMarquizy]

TTVPappusGaming,

This is by far the best guide I have ever seen. Sadly nothing in it helps me as they were things I have already learned for myself lol but still a really strong and detailed guide. Good Job man.




Side Notes: ok so 2 things,

#1, most of the time when we lose it's arguably because Raider is the weakest 1v1 hero in the game. We simply don't have an answer for everything while all other heroes do. (with lawbringer being the only exception) Raider's guard shifts much slower than almost all other heroes, all his attacks are easy to parry, follow, block, and dodge. Predictable Moveset, and only a Light attack, or Dry unblockable is guaranteed after a GB "with out a wall assist" and the dry unblockable does like 2.5 dmg more than a light

#2, We are Raider, Legendary! "OUTSTANDING"

[TTVPappusGaming]

Thanks for the info and tips in this thread. It has really helped me and yesterday I had two duels against experienced Orochi that I won pretty definitively. Please take a look at these and would appreciate any feedback on what I could do better, aside from countering GB. Still having trouble with that.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=1VEBWoVyO5w

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=MsCETfEw-uU

Video 1: Round 1 you had him grabbed with execution and a wall next to you. Pretty sure you could have done the 95 dmg combo right there. You also didn't default your block to top, which is of course your decision, but the top light is harder to parry than the zoneattack.
Round 2: Your first throw is a useless wallcarry forward into light. You had a wall to your left that you could have used for a heavy or just outright unblockable for damage. The exhaustion grab you did in round 2 isn't a combo so he could have parried that unblockable.
Round 3 you parry his attack and give him a light. This was a guaranteed guardbreak into ringout or unblockable or using the wall for a heavy.

[DDSDevilDog]

Video 1: Round 1 you had him grabbed with execution and a wall next to you. Pretty sure you could have done the 95 dmg combo right there. You also didn't default your block to top, which is of course your decision, but the top light is harder to parry than the zoneattack.
Round 2: Your first throw is a useless wallcarry forward into light. You had a wall to your left that you could have used for a heavy or just outright unblockable for damage. The exhaustion grab you did in round 2 isn't a combo so he could have parried that unblockable.
Round 3 you parry his attack and give him a light. This was a guaranteed guardbreak into ringout or unblockable or using the wall for a heavy.

Thanks for the feedback. Will keep working at it

[TTVPappusGaming]

Video variant of the Raider guide:
https://www.twitch.tv/pappusgaming/m...4204/highlight

Just the oneshot combo:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k9Lj30koihc

Written variant of the guide for those that prefer that format:

https://www.dropbox.com/s/oz13pd2x81...Guide.pdf?dl=0

Beware the guide is already ~4000 words and 13 pages.

Should you have burning questions about the raider and I happen to stream:
www.twitch.tv/PappusGaming

Otherwise I will answer the questions you have about the raider here in this thread

Have a good one and may you improve.

Edit: Guide updated with a full punishment table, gear selection and more match-up write-ups. Next thing on the list is redoing the videoguide and having example matches against all classes

Written guide updated once more.

[Shlitzohar]

Hey Pappus, awesome guide! Improved my gameplay so much by reading this! Just had a 1v4 win that was so rewarding
Quick question: you listed gear with the primary/sec/negative stats, is that what you recommend for a rev build? Not sure how to understand it. I can't decide between attack or defense heavy axe tho...

[ThePollie]

Solid proof why Dominion is a broken pile of ****.

[Kharneth88]

The guide the OP posted is amazing! Helpful advice backed up with hard data so you can even see exactly how the 2nd and 3rd options compare the the best options.

[Aibjorn]

Tempted to pick him up, I played him for awhile after launch and gave up on him because he seemed like if you were fighting a skilled player he was impossible to win as.