Shugoki and Valkyrie | Forums

[Darkrynblade]

Okay, well, I disagree with your disagreement. I've mained her all morning and there is so much stacked against her it isn't even funny. Unless you're near a convenient cliff she is more than likely going to lose the fight. She has great disables and what not but it's all dependent on a variety of factors that never seem to play well into her favor. She is punishingly slow and has deceptively short range. In fact, you can do a Spear Sweep and put them on the ground and the only move you can perform to hit them while they're there is a Pouncing Thrust because -literally nothing else will hit- from your position. You have to move forward and risk giving them a free block or do a pouncing thrust and hope to christ they don't know her well enough to do anything about it.

But furthermore, her damage output is -abyssmal-, even for a Hybrid class. She has one bleed ability which is entirely dependent on you doing a dodge-block, which super sketchy considering that the game likes to just consider it a dodge sometimes. At which point, you try the Shoulder Pin and are left with a -SUPER- telegraphed heavy attack that they will inevitably block, or worse, parry. Her entire playstyle is based around watching your opponent and reacting accordingly, but most of that can be outdone by a simple guard block on their behalf because you spend so much time watching their every move that you just can't react in time to tech it.

The best part is a duel I had with Shugoki, in which he utterly nullifies her charge ability entirely, which reduces her combat capability by effectively half considering almost all of her power comes from her disables which he just shrugs off and ignores. I have cuts on my knuckles from losing my god damn mind from that fight and beating the hell out of my desk in frustration.

Have had an identical experience. Nothing strings together and there isn't a tool at her disposal that isn't outdone or nullified by other classes. It really feels as if there isn't anything in her kit to deal with heavies and other threats such as the Shugoki like you mention. I love her design, but god is she pathetic try and play.

[MinusII-VX9-]

Valk's Dodge block is nigh impossible to land also. or is that just me. i cant land it fine with zerker, peacekeeper and kensei

[CaptianBeetle]

\ Her parrys are ******edly slow once one swing from the opponent is landed on you you can't block the incoming attacks.
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THIS! HOOOLY fck. Valk cannot block ANYTHING at all. I thought it was just me for the longest time. The fact that I can play ANY other character and block literally EVERYTHING, but when i play Valk you just simply cannot block a flurry of attacks has me so frustrated.

I love the valk. I love her moves, her play style. But I've been SO pissed (at myself for thinking its me) because i cannot block ANYTHING after being hit once by someone. Idk what it is. If there is a hidden fatigue timer, or what else it might be, but if you play valk and get hit by an attack, you might as well have broken arms, because you wont be able to block anything at all unless its a heavy attack or the enemy ****s up their combo.

It is beyond aggravating. And I am glad to see that its not just me with this problem. PLEASE ADDRESS THIS. Or at least CONFIRM that I need to just git gud or sum sht. I swear to god.

I also feel like the block break counter ( when they grab you and you push them back) is buggy on Valk. It really does feel like im hitting the button to stop the break at the right time. But in the middle of combat, it only works once in a blue moon. Even when I tested it with just solely waiting to counter the block break. Am I just ******ed? I need to know.

[SovietRoulette]

Yea I agree, played valk in alpha, yes she needed a nerf. Just played her tonight...she literally does no damage, is so slow its torturous, cant combat because the timing between her attacks is way below average reaction time, her sweep cant his anyone who dodges left or right, her charge....just sidestep or back up. I was really looking forward to valk again...disappointed.

That literally isn't even the worst part about her though, all of this plus the fact that if you DO land her knock down abilities she literally has ZERO follow up outside of forward dash light attack which does negligible amounts of damage and all of her combo knockback abilities do 0 health damage so basically they benefit her enemy more than her to even use.

[DovahkiinSuleyk]

Do you know that if shugoki misses the healing charge he loses a **** ton of health?
Try that character, it's so freaking hard to play with him

Was just about to say this. Yes, Demon's Embrace deals damage and heals us, but it's also arguably one of the easiest attacks in the game to dodge and if we miss with it it takes a third of our HP off and leaves us open to attack. Not to mention just overall the Shugoki is slow as hell, he runs out of stamina super fast. The uninterruptible attacks people keep mentioning? It's only one uninterruptible attack, like, every 10 seconds, you hit him once with a light attack and that's it. He hits hard, but he's far from OP.

[Oupyz]

the healing idea is crap , this is not an mmo , take the healing away worse idea ever

[CaptianBeetle]

That literally isn't even the worst part about her though, all of this plus the fact that if you DO land her knock down abilities she literally has ZERO follow up outside of forward dash light attack which does negligible amounts of damage and all of her combo knockback abilities do 0 health damage so basically they benefit her enemy more than her to even use.

What I usually do is a forward dash light attack, light attack, then the leg sweep. for another knockdown. OR you can dash forward, start a heavy attack and instant change it into a unblockable forward dash, then a legsweep.

It kind of kills stamina though.

I find the best way to keep up damage is to not actually finish the combos. Valk has good stagger on her hits. And the forward dash light attack counts as the 1st hit in the combo. So by the time they stand up, you can stun them usually with the other 2 light attacks if you land them. Or like I said, leg sweep as they get up. But ultimately its better to poke twice, then wait a moment before poking twice again. That way you get in 4 hits before you follow up with a sweep or stun.

[SovietRoulette]

Was just about to say this. Yes, Demon's Embrace deals damage and heals us, but it's also arguably one of the easiest attacks in the game to dodge and if we miss with it it takes a third of our HP off and leaves us open to attack. Not to mention just overall the Shugoki is slow as hell. He hits hard, but he's far from OP.

I don't think he was saying Shugoki is OP, Shugoki can be hard to fight at times but is relatively well balanced and fun to watch and I'd imagine fun to play, I think what he is getting at is that Valkyrie is massively underpowered almost to the point that it should be considered a form of torture to play her. her damage is lower than the other classes, she swings slower than most of the other classes aside from maybe Lawbringer (who also could use a little bit of love but thats a whole different conversation). She has little to no follow up for her OWN disables basically meaning they favor the enemy since all of them do No damage on successfully (which is ****ing rare as hell considering they are easy to dodge) landing them. All around her Aesthetic is great and the style of the character is awesome but when it comes down to the meat of what makes the game her combat prowess is lightyears below the entire rest of the roster. I love the class and I put up with the incredible lack of ability to even fight anyone 1v1 who is moderately competent because I like her.

And while she does have the upside of very fast executes like some might claim she literally never has an opportunity to use them because her heavy attacks take forever to hit and do very little damage and she most often will lose a fight against a single player because she lacks the damage and speed to actually present a real threat to any other class.

[arcticnerd]

The Shugoki's power is a little crazy, both from a gameplay perspective and from a sense of realism. Why would missing that attack hurt him and why does it heal him when it hits?

Also I am not sure who thought it would be a good idea to give a character an instant death move but I don't agree with them.

[xxgregotaurusxx]

Completely agree that they completely ****ed a cool character concept,shield and spear should be a fast harrasy pokey vicious set up with cool defensive options not this slow tedius low damage crap, was all set to main this character for the cool factor but now after hitting rep 1 with her i wont be using her much more, also i know this is not gonna change anytime soon but all her heavy attacks being chops/cuts is so freaking stupid,anyone who has ever picked up a spear/stick and tried to make hits with one hand could tell you it just doesnt work very well,should have slower more powered stabs instead of stupid looking 1 handed spear chops.