Shugoki and Valkyrie | Forums

[tcs1991.ts]

Okay, well, I disagree with your disagreement. I've mained her all morning and there is so much stacked against her it isn't even funny. Unless you're near a convenient cliff she is more than likely going to lose the fight. She has great disables and what not but it's all dependent on a variety of factors that never seem to play well into her favor. She is punishingly slow and has deceptively short range. In fact, you can do a Spear Sweep and put them on the ground and the only move you can perform to hit them while they're there is a Pouncing Thrust because -literally nothing else will hit- from your position. You have to move forward and risk giving them a free block or do a pouncing thrust and hope to christ they don't know her well enough to do anything about it.

But furthermore, her damage output is -abyssmal-, even for a Hybrid class. She has one bleed ability which is entirely dependent on you doing a dodge-block, which super sketchy considering that the game likes to just consider it a dodge sometimes. At which point, you try the Shoulder Pin and are left with a -SUPER- telegraphed heavy attack that they will inevitably block, or worse, parry. Her entire playstyle is based around watching your opponent and reacting accordingly, but most of that can be outdone by a simple guard block on their behalf because you spend so much time watching their every move that you just can't react in time to tech it.

The best part is a duel I had with Shugoki, in which he utterly nullifies her charge ability entirely, which reduces her combat capability by effectively half considering almost all of her power comes from her disables which he just shrugs off and ignores. I have cuts on my knuckles from losing my god damn mind from that fight and beating the hell out of my desk in frustration.

I have a 2.3 k/d and a 78 win % with valkaryie. So I'm not pro but I also rarely cheese. I have no problems with any class but warlord. Hell even shugoki is easy.

[Drekle]

I didn't play the closed beta where she was available, however playing Valkyrie now and she is just trash. I agree with the speed suggestion among other things.

[Giggley-puff]

The Valk is a range just like nobushi, but she is SO much slower in comparison. And she does hardly any damage. I can wail and sheild crash people for days, but they will kill me in 3 hits if I get stunned and can't keep up to block. She takes so much damage. Her parrys are ******edly slow once one swing from the opponent is landed on you you can't block the incoming attacks.

I understand in Alpha she was OP but this is ridiculous. I was so excited to play her again, bought outfits and emotes and all the stuff.... and she is piratically unplayable. So disappointing.

[TypicalZealot]

The Shugoki Demon's Embrace grab is like one of the most telegraphed charges in the entire game. I don't think there's a single move that's as telegraphed, it's literally a hundred times easier to get grabbed by the Raider charge than the Shugoki one.

Not to mention, there's a pretty big penalty for missing your charge, and the character only has two real reliable attack chains.
On top of that, he takes bonus damage once his armor is broken, forcing you to play extremely defensively and use his grab to restore health lost due to quicker heroes which will put you in the dirt FAST.

Seriously try playing Shugoki, you'll change your tune quick I think.

[GloriousFists]

Too much crying guys just keep playing agaisnt those classes

[Giggley-puff]

The Valk is a range just like nobushi, but she is SO much slower in comparison. And she does hardly any damage. I can wail and sheild crash people for days, but they will kill me in 3 hits if I get stunned and can't keep up to block. She takes so much damage. Her parrys are ******edly slow once one swing from the opponent is landed on you you can't block the incoming attacks.

I understand in Alpha she was OP but this is ridiculous. I was so excited to play her again, bought outfits and emotes and all the stuff.... and she is piratically unplayable. So disappointing.

[ArashinoUmi]

Yeah, there is no counter to Parry (heavy attack key to block) into guardbreak into free him.
Once they parry you, they get a free uncounterable guardbreak.
OP as hell.

You know that almost all characters get free guard break after parry and free heavy off that?

[khromtx]

Because it's a brand new game. Don't know if you play a lot of games, but in my long experience, new games (especially games like this) tend to have a lot of balance issues with characters. Characters aren't perfect right at release, so to say "learn to play against them" is disingenuous and simply foolish.

[thewalkingkane]

The Valk is a range just like nobushi, but she is SO much slower in comparison. And she does hardly any damage. I can wail and sheild crash people for days, but they will kill me in 3 hits if I get stunned and can't keep up to block. She takes so much damage. Her parrys are ******edly slow once one swing from the opponent is landed on you you can't block the incoming attacks.

I understand in Alpha she was OP but this is ridiculous. I was so excited to play her again, bought outfits and emotes and all the stuff.... and she is piratically unplayable. So disappointing.

Valkyrie doesn't have -nearly- as much range as Nobushi, lol. You spear sweep someone and the only attack you have that will hit them before they stand is Pouncing Thrust. Everything else will miss because she chucks the spear up to the blade like it's a dagger or something.

[Blight_Reaper]

I played the Valk in Tech test and loved her. Her damage was on par with what you would expect from a medium build class. She was responsive and intuitive to play. Since launch it's apparent that you guys nerfed her to the extreme. Her damage is by far the weakest of any class. Her movement is sluggish. Her counters work maybe 10% of the time. I spent 4 hours in practice duels trying to get her timing down and there does not seem to be any. You guys really need to roll this class back to tech test spec or rework her. It's really a bummer, I was looking forward to playing my favorite class again and now I'm just going to have to go back to one of the other classes that's not broke.