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[Zoomdude44]

You guys talk about mind games yet you cant even comprehend how much of a damper this mechanic puts on the mind games, it shortens fights and makes it more simple honestLy if you are taking away choices and defenses of people by giving their opponents

[Zywroh]

And that shield bash that's so unfair? That and the swing after it costs a heck of a lot of stamina, it's not so easy to just bash and swing to win, it's a lot more complicated than that.

[Tr1pleG]

I mean what i have tested is that when ever i try a shield bash myself against a conquer's shield bash mine cancels out his all the time.
I don't know why this is. Maybe i just have been timing it right without consciously doing so? Anyway that's how i counter his bash and i never do the warlords overhead sprinting hit ether without knowing it will hit. I prefer to shield bash because i can miss and just run past him.

[Zoomdude44]

all of the issues i talked about dont really matter that much and can be avoided, the biggest one is the free guard break you get after a parry, it just doesnt make sense and makes fights more like playing chicken where u stare into each others eyes for 9 years waiting for each other to attack because theya re just going to parry you and get a free guard break unless you are a longrange fighter i think u arent close enough for the free guard break

[mahdioof]

ubi
**** u and ur buggy games
u r piss a **** company
shouldnot buy a **** from ur company
with this laggy server and buggy games
plz dont made online games **** company
go and made single games
pigs

[Zoomdude44]

if they really wanted you to be punished so hard if you are guard broke after a parry atleast allow you the window to counter the guard break but still stagger back that way you cant attack first and they still have the upper hand but also you arent handing them free full guard breaks for no good reason

P.S. Its funny you guys assume im only complaining about this mechanic because i lose to it, but this isnt the case, i use it on other people and it feels like a cheap victory that isnt really earned.

[Tr1pleG]

True but i haven't done much with that frame to guard break. I usually just stay put, perry, headsplitter, then go for a heavy attack. Rinse and repeat for anyone who doesn't learn or just change up the strategy to include a guard break or full shield stab attack. Ether way i can see your point but i feel orochi can hit you too fast to really parry anything ina ample amount of time. So i stick more to full shield then parrying.

[Zoomdude44]

And that shield bash that's so unfair? That and the swing after it costs a heck of a lot of stamina, it's not so easy to just bash and swing to win, it's a lot more complicated than that.

nope its not actually i just lost to a guy who killed me from full health to zero by shield bashing hitting shield bashing hitting and each time i couldnt interrupt him with an attack because he had just hit me and i was staggering so he got the first hit each time and i couldnt move out of the way because i tried dodgind sideways, it still catches me, then i tried backwards but the charge goes too far. there was nothing i could do it was just free hit after free hit and absolutely zero options for me

[Lord_Binz]

Im really glad they did this Open Beta... Its seems to have weeded out some of the really terrible players right from the start. Hopefully there wont be this level of whining and moaning when it fully releases... Please, if you hate it so much, can you just go away and stop posting on forums?

And let those of us who like the game and the way that it is be free to play in peace.

Thanks. And Bye.

[ZooL-z8l]

You guys are so pitiful.
Zoomdude 44 is the only one with proper reasoning and you just think you are so good and tell him useless stuff like "git gut" etc.
Anyone who says feint is a mind game clearly has no idea what mind games are and never has played a proper fighting game with real mind games.

Defense is WAY to powerful in this game. And there are some characters that never should attack because defense is just so overpowered for them. Even the real pro players think this is a problem.

So first, what is a mind game? it should make your opponent trick into doing one thing and then you punish him by doing something else. now here is the problem: neither feint nor guard break are a mind game. why? because you don't have to guess. You can just react to it. The guard break has an indicator and a HUGE time frame to counter guard break. a good player can counter guard break 99% of the time just by reaction time. so no guess here.
Feint suffers the same problem. the attack animation interrupts so early (and there is no way to interrupter it at a much later point) that you don't need to guess if he will attack or not. the parry time frame happens AFTER the interrupt. so again, if you have strong reflexes like most good players there is no guessing involved. this is a fundamental flaw in the design of the game.
If no changes are made this game can never be played competitive in a serious way.

So all you wanna be pros in this thread should be ashamed of your self and "git gut" because you clearly lack proper knowledge of the game.