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[Titzi-]

Dude I think we don't play the same game.

Would have been honorable from you to just understand that you have good tactics and manage to do well but don't lie to people. Unblockable attack of Raider is dodgeable / parryable, as a single blow, part of a combo or after a guard break.

The only time it isn't is when you get your opponent out of stamina and throw him to the ground.

Now if you still deny this, you don't what you're talking about and everyone here can do the test or post a video of parrying / dodgin it.

The Raider is fine as he is. Once again we're saying that he can't land heavy after guard break and that is 100% FACT. Raider guard break last under a sec, while others last at least a sec, you can even see this in the advanced training mode's first step with the grab guy.

Everyone here got the fact that you manage well with Raider and that he is a good char. He's just under the others because of that "small" disadvantage. Practice duels with rank4 pple as there is now and come back and tell me you won't be annoyed by the free heavies they get from a guard break, making it more difficult for a Raider to win the fight because you have to use more mechanics, and counter break everytime. No place for mistakes.

Try and get rank2 with another char and you'll see how you'll perform much more better.

[Nightarc0487]

What is teching? You guys keep saying teching, and I cannot figure out what it means.

[pongkrit03]

Just ignore him Tizzi ... waste time.

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[Jarnhand]

EVERY CLASS CAN BREAK GUARD INTO GUARANTEED HEAVY. EXCEPT RAIDER.

Agree with your post, but I am sure this is NOT correct based on my experience with my Warlord.

I made a post about it on this forum because I am confused on how it is supposed to work, since on some classes its hit and on others its 'magically blocked'.

[Jarnhand]

Just ignore him Tizzi ... waste time.

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He is no doubt a good player, and I am thankful for what he is doing with his guide etc. Its just that some people will never admit 'so and so' class is gimped/nerfed/underpowered, and keep saying its ok based on 'try harding'. I kinda admire this, since I am the totally opposite; I get frustrated very fast when I see class imbalances, as now with the Raider. I wish I were more optimistic and 'try harder', but for some reason I gravitate towards the underdog classes, and like playing classes that are less played. The problem is, that combined with easily getting frustrated is a BAD COMBO.

I will just copy myself again:
A good player that learn all the moves etc, will do good on all classes, even the underpowered ones to a certain degree, but will completely stomp 'everyone' on a good class.
A mediocre/new player will do ok on a good class, but will get wrecked on a bad class.

[corac34]

Agreed, Raider is my favourite class by far. but by far they are also the worst class balance wise. they need to fix some things like this. raider players literally need to be twice as good as their opponent to win any duels at the moment.

[vaaloki]

Has anyone landed a combo with a raider? I haven't in 5 hrs of playing one..
Their heavy speed and wind up is too slow..

[TTVPappusGaming]

Dude I think we don't play the same game.

Would have been honorable from you to just understand that you have good tactics and manage to do well but don't lie to people. Unblockable attack of Raider is dodgeable / parryable, as a single blow, part of a combo or after a guard break.

The only time it isn't is when you get your opponent out of stamina and throw him to the ground.

Now if you still deny this, you don't what you're talking about and everyone here can do the test or post a video of parrying / dodgin it.

The Raider is fine as he is. Once again we're saying that he can't land heavy after guard break and that is 100% FACT. Raider guard break last under a sec, while others last at least a sec, you can even see this in the advanced training mode's first step with the grab guy.

Everyone here got the fact that you manage well with Raider and that he is a good char. He's just under the others because of that "small" disadvantage. Practice duels with rank4 pple as there is now and come back and tell me you won't be annoyed by the free heavies they get from a guard break, making it more difficult for a Raider to win the fight because you have to use more mechanics, and counter break everytime. No place for mistakes.

Try and get rank2 with another char and you'll see how you'll perform much more better.

Just add me on uplay. My name is right there and I will show you guardbreak into unblockable and then you learned something. The tests I did showed no block markers for the enemy, the test I did with my buddy did not allow him to dodge or parry out simple as that. Am I happy that our guardbreak punish in the open eats 50% stamina - no, but it is alright. Could be truly nothing coming close to a heavy in dmg.

[Maasik]

I think its kind of a joke that Valkyre got buffs and Raider didnt get any love. At least the Valkyre has consistent combos and a 50/50 off shield bash..

[Titzi-]

Just add me on uplay. My name is right there and I will show you guardbreak into unblockable and then you learned something. The tests I did showed no block markers for the enemy, the test I did with my buddy did not allow him to dodge or parry out simple as that. Am I happy that our guardbreak punish in the open eats 50% stamina - no, but it is alright. Could be truly nothing coming close to a heavy in dmg.

Apologies, tested it again and you're correct.

So there is only two times you can hit with a guaranteed heavy unblockable by the Raider = guardbreak + unblockable and guardbreak+ throwing down out of stamina ennemy.

Still, it doesn't change a thing to the subject as the other classes can just guardbreak + heavy guaranteed whereas WE have to do guardbreak + unblockable for the same result except that you'll use more than half of your stamina for this.

Not to mention, I just tested it few seconds ago vs a Warlord fame 3 lvl 79equipment with full attack/defense and the guardbreak + unblockable only removed one bar of his life.
He just got the advantage after that because I was almost out of stamina so I needed to disengage, if not he's the one who will headbutt + throw you exhausted to the ground and that's almost over.

Sounds like a disadvantage. Keep in mind that there is equipments with stats when we're testing all of that so in duel mode it's not the same.

Anyway keep playing Raider and get better at it everyone so we can share.