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[TTVPappusGaming]

I play raider in everything. Not just dominion.

It is obviously a struggle not going to lie. Light attack spammers seem to be my biggest issue. I can block, even parry, but I never get good follow up on it.

What I have found to work is to keep them off of you. Keep them just out range. Swing a heavy followed by a light or cancel into a tap. Feinting can help too. Supposedly you can get a top heavy off of a light parry but I havent really pulled that off yet. But what I have found is that people who do nothing but spam light attack are fairly predictable.

In the end with the raider you have to be on top of your game to win. There is no easy win in 1v1 with raider if the opponent knows what they are doing. There are plenty of people who play him and make it work at the higher levels.

If you are looking for a character with consistent combos that you can repeat over and over the raiders not that hero. I wouldn't call him unviable hes just not as, consistent.

Honestly I start believing that the raider is actually one of the strongest chars out there solely based on his zoneattack. The sole reason that it can be feinted is just huge. Additionally you have the 95 dmg combo of a successfull parry that exhausted your enemy and all you really need is a wall.

I havent done the videoediting and all that but since you say you struggle against lightspammers (and I supposed orochi is the main one?) I will show you an unlisted video how todefend against that. It doesn't have my voice explaining so here a couple of words:

At this point I am unable to parry top light on reaction consistently so I can't afford to challenge it. I can parry the zoneattack pretty consistently and the rest aswell. I can't really differentiate yet between a light side swing and a heavy of the orochi so I usually don't go after them to avoid the risk of feinting. Obviously that is a git gud problem on my end not on the raiders or I definitely could go for parries on the sides.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0eJ-fqMB5IA

here you go as an example and I could be by far better with parries and blocks.

[TL24SS]

Honestly I start believing that the raider is actually one of the strongest chars out there solely based on his zoneattack. The sole reason that it can be feinted is just huge. Additionally you have the 95 dmg combo of a successfull parry that exhausted your enemy and all you really need is a wall.

I havent done the videoediting and all that but since you say you struggle against lightspammers (and I supposed orochi is the main one?) I will show you an unlisted video how todefend against that. It doesn't have my voice explaining so here a couple of words:

At this point I am unable to parry top light on reaction consistently so I can't afford to challenge it. I can parry the zoneattack pretty consistently and the rest aswell. I can't really differentiate yet between a light side swing and a heavy of the orochi so I usually don't go after them to avoid the risk of feinting. Obviously that is a git gud problem on my end not on the raiders or I definitely could go for parries on the sides.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0eJ-fqMB5IA

here you go as an example and I could be by far better with parries and blocks.

Excellent stuff man, someday I'll be as good as you lol.

[Ausweisen]

I guess someone replied to me earlier. Sorry if you thought I was ignoring, it's just that why should I argue about a class you don't want to play? If you don't like raider then don't ****in play it yeah? Not rocket science. The people who want to be good at raider will be good at raider. The rest will spout some crap that I no longer have the time, patience or interest in reading. If I'm telling you one thing and you vehemently refuse to acknowledge it due to your inability to take a step back, calm down and reflect then it's your personal problem. Not mine.

Now am I the best Raider alive? pfft **** no and my win ratio is only 70% with him. I'm a novice at best, but a novice that spent hours in practice mode with my eyes closed learning to GB and then working on my parries until I wanted to kick grass like the badass I clearly must be.

To the turd from southeast asia that doesn't know how to read: Yes, CLEARLY I've never ever played a different hero. Not at all. Nope. Not a single prestige anywhere else.


TL;DR "Proper Prior Practice Prevents Piss Poor Performance" and as an added remark...don't be a win ratio nerd like me(70% is garbo in my books). Just play and have fun and eventually you'll prolly get way better than me...or you'll make more excuses. Either way.

[Maasik]

So I was just dueling with a buddy of mine, and he parried my guardbreak into unblockable combo.. I wasnt out of stamina or anything so Im a little confused how this happened.

Is this not a true combo, is it timing dependent and I was a little too late with the unblockable, or was it just P2P randomness? Anybody else experienced this in duels/brawls?

[Ausweisen]

Are you saying he broke your GB then hit you with an unblockable as a raider? It isn't unheard of if your reaction time was a little slow (happens to us all at some point, mate) or if there was some slight lag. I've only had 3 fights so far where I was lagging pretty badly. If he does get a GB on you he CAN get an unblockable as a raider on you and there isn't anything that can be done about it, but that can be countered by getting your CGB timing on point. Listen for when they touch you then as fast as you can GB.

Hopefully something in my ramblings helped, please provide more specificity if I didn't answer what you wanted.

[ZoRG-X01]

Let's pray to Odin for a buff. I know i have to git gud but comon spending so much time on practising to be destroyed by light attacks from pk or vortex from warden, i get a parry and want to gb but nope. I know i can 2 shot sobody but samurai fatty can one shoot sombody and he have gb after a parry and a free heavy after gb + one hit shield. If you meet a good player that will block you, cgb you, parry you most of time you have little to no option to win. Maby im whining to much but it hurt me when im parring sombpdy all the time and i get nothing from it. I love Raider but now i dont play him much.

[Ja.Kuba]

Raider attacks are very slow and very predictable, so almost every got either interrupted or parried even after canceling and moving with another (other raider tactics to bring a hit through enemies guard usualy fail too). Im not even gonna mention amount of stamina that raider got left after such a situation. Light attack is a kinda way to deal a damage to an enemy but such a damage is very low and feels like item attack boost almost does not affect it. Only way to kill a "not newbie" player 1vs1 now is to stun / guardbreak an enemy, deal a sad light attack and move back then repeat which is not fun and feels like it doesnt fit a strong viking brute with a great 2handed axe. His strong attacks are useless plus there is no combo way to deal a strong attack after a light attack. Im not even gonna mention his unblockable which is basicly a newbie killer or a "bad luck" player killer. The only use for raider is a revenge mode build in dominion and skirmish (wait, no one plays skirmish in player vs player mode). There is no place for raider in 1vs1 and 2vs2 now.

RAIDER NEEDS AN UNINTERRUPTIBLE STRONG ATTACK (even only for the upper strong attack, leaving left and right), or some other way to deal uninterruptible damage (to for example exchange hits) in his slow moves, even for a price of his independent unblockable, to be not a single mode (dominion) class and start to matter in other game modes.
Revenge mode makes raider playable because it provides uninterruptible attacks. Damn im jealous of berserker's and warlord's strong one's.

PLEASE UBISOFT MAKE IT RIGHT.

[Maasik]

Are you saying he broke your GB then hit you with an unblockable as a raider? It isn't unheard of if your reaction time was a little slow (happens to us all at some point, mate) or if there was some slight lag. I've only had 3 fights so far where I was lagging pretty badly. If he does get a GB on you he CAN get an unblockable as a raider on you and there isn't anything that can be done about it, but that can be countered by getting your CGB timing on point. Listen for when they touch you then as fast as you can GB.

Hopefully something in my ramblings helped, please provide more specificity if I didn't answer what you wanted.

I play Raider and when I did guard break into unblockable he parried me. Im not sure how or why as I thought unblockable was guarenteed after a guard break.. it only happened once but idk if it was a fluke or I just hesitated too long after the guard break or something.

[Ezcendant]

I play Raider and when I did guard break into unblockable he parried me. Im not sure how or why as I thought unblockable was guarenteed after a guard break.. it only happened once but idk if it was a fluke or I just hesitated too long after the guard break or something.

It's hard, but with practice the unblockable can be parried after a gb. Unless the enemy is out of stamina I'm not sure the raider has any guaranteed damage from a gb.

[is.that.mojo]

I play Raider and when I did guard break into unblockable he parried me. Im not sure how or why as I thought unblockable was guarenteed after a guard break.. it only happened once but idk if it was a fluke or I just hesitated too long after the guard break or something.

Did he happen to be an Orochi? I've had this happen to me as well, and I've seen other reporting it too. It seems the Orochi just recovers from GB faster, has time to parry the unblockable. Might be the case for other assassins too, but I've only had it happen to me vs roaches.