Conqueror out-shined by Warlord? | Forums

[EetDrinkBeBerry]

There is no meta when the game isn't even out, that's what I was trying to tell you. There is a "culture" that you aren't a part of, I can clearly see. Have you joined the discords Hall of Heroes or For Honor Competitive? If you actually want to talk to people who know wtf is going on with the game, go there. You're gonna get much the same as what I told you already.

Honestly you have no clue what you're talking about. Mobility can be increased with the Sprint Speed stat on Armor, so all classes can be "mobile."
Assassins are pubstompers. I have no trouble with them when they are parried and introduced to my Shoulderbash Mixup combos.

Git Gud is the end of the story.



Have you seen this list of attacks that cause the Conqueror to have Uninterruptable Guard Breaks? Conqueror is going to be STRONG.

Is that chart accurate? I don't remember being consistently punished for blocked light attacks as Conqueror.

[xXGECKOZXx]

i dont know, why you compare the Conqueror with the Warlord, just because both have a shield? i dont think they are anything alike, other then having the full block stance.
i would compare the Conqueror to everyone and the he has one thing over all the others and one thing he lacks compared to all others.
Conqueror has a superior block which is huge, it stops all ongoing combos at the first block, which makes it realy hard to pressure the Conqueror.
what the Conqueror lacks is a regular feint, what will be a big part in high level gameplay.
I think the Conqueror is a realy hard discussion. on one hand, he has the best defense in the game, on the other hand, he will most likly has the weakest offence in the long run

They are both the heavies of their respective factions, they bot have an unblockable that disorients and allows for chains, and yes they both have a shield. Your question about why they would be compared is like asking why someone would compare a Barrett 50.cal to an L115A3 Rifle, oh they are both sniper rifles and are used to shoot targets from a mile away, why compare them. We should compare the Barrett to the M27 IAR (Light Machine Gun) instead... Anyways the only real difference between the snipers is that one is simply more powerful than the other, like these two heavy classes. Conquerer is a bit underpowered he needs more defense... i know he is already very tanky, but he should be used to hold objectives and to do that he needs more damage resistance, he just doesn't have the move diversity to fight at a higher level of play where people know how to position correctly and defend after a failed attack, and then fight back. He feels like he has less armor on than his slow speed would indicate, he just needs a slight buff in the armor department.

[Aarpian2]

They are both the heavies of their respective factions, they bot have an unblockable that disorients and allows for chains, and yes they both have a shield. Your question about why they would be compared is like asking why someone would compare a Barrett 50.cal to an L115A3 Rifle, oh they are both sniper rifles and are used to shoot targets from a mile away, why compare them. We should compare the Barrett to the M27 IAR (Light Machine Gun) instead... Anyways the only real difference between the snipers is that one is simply more powerful than the other, like these two heavy classes. Conquerer is a bit underpowered he needs more defense... i know he is already very tanky, but he should be used to hold objectives and to do that he needs more damage resistance, he just doesn't have the move diversity to fight at a higher level of play where people know how to position correctly and defend after a failed attack, and then fight back. He feels like he has less armor on than his slow speed would indicate, he just needs a slight buff in the armor department.

As someone who regularly plays vs some of the best players in the game, conqueror does not need buffs, and in fact needs nerfs. Yes, if you throw out attacks willy-nilly you are going to get destroyed by competent players, but you never ever have to do an unsafe action to get a win on the conqueror, as shield bash lets you attack more or less with impunity, and the threat of it gives you amazing 50-50 punishes on your dodges.
On top of that, he is almost impossible to feint bait because he gets free guard breaks on blocks on a bunch of attacks, his parries have extremely generous timing and he can hold the parry button to avoid getting parry baited.

[KingOfSoho]

as shield bash lets you attack more or less with impunity, and the threat of it gives you amazing 50-50
punishes on your dodges

Could you elaborate on that ? Or an example would be nice. thanks

[Peligrad]

Is that chart accurate? I don't remember being consistently punished for blocked light attacks as Conqueror.

Yeah that chart is rubbish. If you honestly believe that conqueror and beserker could be punished by every blocked light attack and this wasn't common knowledge then you are incredibly gullible. The free GB for conqs on blocked heavies probably is true but is difficult to pull off. It's really not in your favor to stand inside GB range and try to block as a defender.

NoGround is a pretend elitist who just takes everything he reads as truth without testing anything himself.

I've been keeping an eye on Discord for a while despite what that scrub thinks and that chart has not been verified and is highly suspicious.

Also, what that scrub fails to realize is that even if the conqueror could in theory get a guardbreak opening. Your positioning has to be perfect (you have to be in GB range as you block and conq's GB is on the shorter side while heavy attacks have the longest range of any abilities in the game) AND even if you do get a GB you the conq gets a lot less value out of a GB than most classes because his uncharged heavies are slow. He will only get a free side light attack which is worth a small fraction of the damage that say an Orochi can get off a GB.

What I find completely baffeling is that this NoGround scrub has the audacity to try to say that the Warlord wasn't better than the conq after we all just read the freaking patch notes where Warlord was nerfed in like 5 areas while the conq wasn't touched at all.

The game designers basically came right out and verified I was right and that the warlord was the better defender class.

So go eat a big floppy donkey d NoobGrade

[Aarpian2]

Yeah that chart is rubbish.

NoGround is a pretend elitist who just takes everything he reads as truth without testing anything himself.

I've been keeping an eye on Discord for a while despite what that scrub thinks and that chart has not been verified and is highly suspicious.

Also, what that scrub fails to realize is that even if the conqueror could in theory get a guardbreak opening. Your positioning has to be perfect (you have to be in GB range as you block and conq's GB is on the shorter side while heavy attacks have the longest range of any abilities in the game) AND even if you do get a GB you the conq gets a lot less value out of a GB than most classes because his uncharged heavies are slow. He will only get a free side light attack which is worth a small fraction of the damage that say an Orochi can get off a GB.

What I find completely baffeling is that this NoGround scrub has the audacity to try to say that the Warlord wasn't better than the conq after we all just read the freaking patch notes where Warlord was nerfed in like 5 areas while the conq wasn't touched at all.

The game designers basically came right out and verified I was right and that the warlord was the better defender class.

So go eat a big floppy donkey d NoBrain

What this scrub doesn't know is you can land a guarantee side heavy on a guard break with conqueror.

Try not to sound like such an *** if you're going to be wrong.

Could you elaborate on that ? Or an example would be nice. thanks

Basically shield bash can only be punished if they start to dodge-attack during the dash portion of the move, which is just before you hit guard break and actually do the shield bash. This means that if your opponent is quick enough to do this, you can start just dodging at him without doing the shield bash to bait him into dodging, and then either parry his dodge attack, or guard break him if he begins to just dodge without doing a dodge-attack.
If he tries to leave the dodge-attack until you actually cast shield bash, you can parry him because the recovery frames on shield bash are so quick.

[Peligrad]

What this scrub doesn't know is you can land a guarantee side heavy on a guard break with conqueror.

Try not to sound like such an *** if you're going to be wrong.


Basically shield bash can only be punished if they start to dodge-attack during the dash portion of the move, which is just before you hit guard break and actually do the shield bash. This means that if your opponent is quick enough to do this, you can start just dodging at him without doing the shield bash to bait him into dodging, and then either parry his dodge attack, or guard break him if he begins to just dodge without doing a dodge-attack.
If he tries to leave the dodge-attack until you actually cast shield bash, you can parry him because the recovery frames on shield bash are so quick.

You can not land a guaranteed heavy on GB with conq. That is wrong.

If the other player holds block against it they will block it.

That said, sometimes you will catch people being lazy assuming you will go for the light attack and they won't block (or they will just be bad and slow) and you'll get the heavy to land. But against good players going for the light is better than dealing no damage at all.

[Aarpian2]

You can not land a guaranteed heavy on GB with conq. That is wrong.

If the other player holds block against it they will block it.

That said, sometimes you will catch people being lazy assuming you will go for the light attack and they won't block (or they will just be bad and slow) and you'll get the heavy to land. But against good players going for the light is better than dealing no damage at all.

You are wrong. 100% wrong. I can show you hours of footage of me doing it to some of the best players in the game.

[Peligrad]

You are wrong. 100% wrong. I can show you hours of footage of me doing it to some of the best players in the game.

Bring on the footage then

[randomjoe123]

Peligrad I am also quite confident you can land a heavy on each GB.