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[Sken_Glyph_]

I'm also all for Bleed effects not dealing the killing blow. It gives the defender a much better experience, since they have options besides dying or trying to get to a controlled point in 5 seconds.

I don't usually die to Nobushi in 4v4 because I ambush her and Warden hits like a truck, but 1v1 is a very different situation; I usually have to stamina drain her or land a solid opener (easier said than done in 1v1).

I think the Stamina drain is an interesting idea btw. Not sure if it's the right effect for Nobushi (not sure it isn't either), but it's an unexplored mechanic for the classes; no one actively drains stamina, it's only done via defense.

[buff_Nobushi]

I'm also all for Bleed effects not dealing the killing blow. It gives the defender a much better experience, since they have options besides dying or trying to get to a controlled point in 5 seconds.

I don't usually die to Nobushi in 4v4 because I ambush her and Warden hits like a truck, but 1v1 is a very different situation; I usually have to stamina drain her or land a solid opener (easier said than done in 1v1).

I think the Stamina drain is an interesting idea btw. Not sure if it's the right effect for Nobushi (not sure it isn't either), but it's an unexplored mechanic for the classes; no one actively drains stamina, it's only done via defense.

Well, but making blood non-lethal would give PK and Nobushi a disadvantage.
Let's say, an enemy has low health and is running away.
You've got time and range for one light attack.
A normal light attack would kill him, a weaker light attack with inflicting blood also would kill him.
Too bad that bleed is non-lethal. The guy can heal up, and your don't get your precious kill.

[buff_Nobushi]

I'm also all for Bleed effects not dealing the killing blow. It gives the defender a much better experience, since they have options besides dying or trying to get to a controlled point in 5 seconds.

I don't usually die to Nobushi in 4v4 because I ambush her and Warden hits like a truck, but 1v1 is a very different situation; I usually have to stamina drain her or land a solid opener (easier said than done in 1v1).

I think the Stamina drain is an interesting idea btw. Not sure if it's the right effect for Nobushi (not sure it isn't either), but it's an unexplored mechanic for the classes; no one actively drains stamina, it's only done via defense.

And to stamina drain.
Certainly interesting, but would cause an even bigger uproar. At least, with such fast attacks Nobushi and Peacekeeper have.

People would complain how unfair it is that people can exhaust you with normal attacks/combos.

[Goat3_Saeko]

Strong bleed effect, range, lots of evasive capabilities and pretty nice combos.
The Nobushi.

Dozens of threads about the same thing: "nerf nobushi >>:[ or no buy"

So? What now?
I personally think, Nobushi should be slower. Not too much, but slower.
Or tone down the bleed effect (make it last less, do less damage) a little bit. It's pretty strong and you easily can stack it with all those relatively-easy-to-pull-off-combos.
Or lower the bleed damage but increase the "raw" damage.


After all, this is a forum. It'd be nice to hear your opinion about Nobushi and "bleed" in general. (Totally not copied from the title)

They must do something for bleed in my opinion but if they not i am still play the game i like it very much, and beacuse i prefer the 4v4(dominon at the point be) i dont think it matters that much for who will win but still affects.

[schwertbestie]

bleeing shouldnt kill its simple as that

[K-mori]

Well, but making blood non-lethal would give PK and Nobushi a disadvantage.

Everything should have an disadvantage to counter the advantages...
what disadvantage does the bleed give PK and Nobushi currently?
It sure doesn't lack in damage...
It's not instant some say, but that's countered by dealing high dmg over time as well as boosting Nobushis atk damage after being applied...

Imo the advantages heavily outweighs the disadvantages and making it non-lethal would put it in line because like all other classes they need to be in the fight until it's over.
They could also lower the dmg a bit.

[schwertbestie]

bleeing shouldnt kill its simple as that

[buff_Nobushi]

Everything should have an disadvantage to counter the advantages...
what disadvantage does the bleed give PK and Nobushi currently?
It sure doesn't lack in damage...
It's not instant some say, but that's countered by dealing high dmg over time as well as boosting Nobushis atk damage after being applied...

Imo the advantages heavily outweighs the disadvantages and making it non-lethal would put it in line because like all other classes they need to be in the fight until it's over.
They could also lower the dmg a bit.

Well, definetly agree with lowering blood damage, but kind unsure about making bleed non-lethal.
They (Ubisoft) will most like nerf Nobushi rather hard, like reduce speed, bleed, this and that. I guess.
And if they do, I don't know if non-lethal blood would be too hard.

[NukeOfficial_]

Well, definetly agree with lowering blood damage, but kind unsure about making bleed non-lethal.
They (Ubisoft) will most like nerf Nobushi rather hard, like reduce speed, bleed, this and that. I guess.
And if they do, I don't know if non-lethal blood would be too hard.

They should just make bleed non lethal. Everything is fine with Nobushi, you just have to learn how to counter her.
Literally the only thing I see really bad with Nobushi is lethal poison in 1v1/2v2. Since you have 0 chance at healing up (except revenge and executions) it's just an annoying feature that ends battles too soon.

[buff_Nobushi]

They should just make bleed non lethal. Everything is fine with Nobushi, you just have to learn how to counter her.
Literally the only thing I see really bad with Nobushi is lethal poison in 1v1/2v2. Since you have 0 chance at healing up (except revenge and executions) it's just an annoying feature that ends battles too soon.

But if they make her weaker overall, AND make a major part of Nobushi, bleed, non-lethal, I fear that she might get "too weak".
Like, if they let Nobushi how she is currently and only reduce bleed damage and/or make bleed non-lethal, I'd had no problem with that.
But I doubt that.