The thing that is constantly asked is "what would suffer if there was a PvE DZ" and "how can PvPers deny us a PvE DZ when it wouldn't hurt them".
Introducing a PvE DZ wouldn't hurt the PvP DZ.
It would hurt the PvEvP one (the only one that exists)
A riskless DZ would make the current DZ PvP exclusive. And there are A LOT of issues with that:
1) The DZ is a poor PvP outlet for various reasons like: having to search for fights, gravitational pull towards ganking and overwhelming odds, lack of capability access due to gear gaps, strong tendency towards camping high traffic areas like checkpoints, etc.
2) Devaluing of the PvE in the PvEvP zone as it becomes a futile past time activity.
3) General tendency to PvP only with AI being in the way, little cohesion to the PvP as open world rarely provides "objectives" and requires people to seek them out themselves...
I don't have to prove this with any logic; these tendency can be observed NOW. With the devaluing of the DZ as a treasure zone, DZ is catering more and more to ganking indiscriminately and shooting people on sight. People are tending towards preparing for the DZ OUTSIDE of it, through missions and whatever else, and then going into the DZ... for what? Nothing other than shooting each other in the face and trying to find fascination with their builds.
I'm not saying the current DZ is without faults. It isn't - it clearly lacks the risk on BOTH sides of the engagement profile. It has a "stopping point" - a player state in which the individual no longer needs anything and obtains effective immunity from this risk, allowing him/her to aggress others with impunity.
There is also a severe lack of reason to cooperate outside of your own squad, as opposed to all the motives to shoot someone.
There is a severe lack of gear value to DZ drops that make PvEing in a sad side activity.
An exclusive PvP outlet would do the current DZ more good than an exclusive PvE outlet, which we already have.
PvErs are effectively fighting for eyecandy, which will in turn ruin the current DZ.
An exclusive PvP outlet will relieve the pressure from the current DZ by redirecting anyone who seeks a PvP only experience.
At this point I dont care....Honestly PVErs are going to get bored of it within a week and complain to Massive asking for more stuff (becuase thats what they do.)
Seriously ask yourself a question...without the rogue mechanic whats makes the DZ compelling for a PVE player? You really want the Ninja backpack that bad?
The "majority", or the loudest bunch, have a tendency of having the wrong impact.Originally Posted by Merphee Go to original post
Their argument is that it has higher density and you can see "other" people. Like Destiny. Whatever the importance of seeing other people plays...Originally Posted by S3anS3an Go to original post
At the beginning of the update people are trying to figure out best gear and re-gear themselves. This is the PVPVE DZ you want. You are unsure about another teams guns or gear but what happens is good players play with other good players so if they were good in the past update they will just murk you again. No hesitation. Over time people get all the gear they want even faster now, and just grief. It takes maybe a week or 2 to get min/maxed so any players farming after that just get run over.
You can help yourself. I farm solo all the time.
Stay in DZ 5-6. Mind you, you can still get killed by rogues up here but imo far less than in DZ 1-2. That's where all the griefing and ganking happens.
Having a team usually helps. Don't solo farm in DZ 1-2 and think you're about to get that extraction off. I can do it 50% of the time maybe but you're not as good as me.
If you do see rogues call in an extraction and run to the next one. Or just wait for them to pass. You have to think in this game just not play reckless and think the best of people. You'll get taken advantage of.
1.3 was the best DZ, they just had to improve (a lot) player vs player mechanics and make story missions and LZ relevant
now the most rewarding activity is killing LZ PvE bosses and red trash mobs and buying cashes for LZ credits..
Survival is not endgame, the bet on the Christmas noobs and the sales were extra low.
1.3 was the best DZ? Are you stupid? 1.3 was by far the worst the DZ has ever been. Sentry shotguns, reclaimer, sticky bombs.... you're crazy.Originally Posted by onenightnparis Go to original post
Can't agree 1.3 was any good. The DPS gap between those who did and didn't use Smart Cover was stupendous. I mean those who did use received 25% of standard incoming damage and did 50% more outgoing.
1.5/0.25 = 6x. Almost worse than the current Critical Save + On The Move BS...
Shouldn't be just at the beginning. It allows people to miss the opportunity and requires people to play NASCAR race at the start of every new major patch. That's not healthy for the game and not practical for players.Originally Posted by X3holy3 Go to original post
you are the stupid, I said fixing the player vs player mechanicsOriginally Posted by X3holy3 Go to original post