Why Ubisoft Forums Are So Toxic. | Forums

[Xion-]

I would like to state something here. I went to reply about the Vivendi thread that AI Bluefox was going on about but it was locked due to toxicity. First off as something constructive I have to say that Ubisoft are the creators of all the toxicity that has been going around. If they did things a certain way a long time ago you wouldn't see these so toxic threads. After the cry of the community has not been heard and has been ignored for so long Ubisoft I hope you can see why things like this get toxic and words get said. Ubisoft you said you were listening to the community but I cannot see 2 things of what the community has asked for be in the game so far. Your being silent on such subjects such as PvP doesn't help either or on anything else for that matter. It's a simple logic way to solve this issue. Say you are either working on the suggestion, you haven't decided yet or it is not planned. Plain and simple. Like why the secrecy here? It gives people bad tastes in there mouths and make people think otherwise which makes things toxic here on the forums. Some people aren't stupid and cab smell crap a mile away. Quit being secretive which was a suggestion that has been asked long ago. This is one of the reasons why people have lack of trust in you. You claim to listen but don't give us anything positive in return. Instead we get the special CIA secretive treatment. So many of us believe a Vivendi take over would finally get your attention to the things explained above and get you to change your direction in terms of actually listening. I personally think myself Vivendi would do a better job than you are doing at the moment.

Now what I would like to see in Wildlands is

1. Dedicated Servers
( I know you have the money for this as you are a tripple A company) So dont try and say anything different.

2. Proper PC controls.

3. Noticable high detailed environments (Better than the console to show us PC gamers you actually care).

4. No microtransactions. Maybe cosmetic ones but no addon weapons or weapon attachments or specific skills of a new Operator to keep the battlefield equal in coop or PVP if it is included.

[Lolssi]

Also it doesn't help if you give moderation rights to a person that has social skills of an angry teenager
All the respect to Keeba though. I'm sure she is doing all her restraints let her.

[Zoream]

I think the moderation on here is pretty good, they may need to jump on toxic behaviour more in my opinion,

If I don't want to buy a game, or don't like it I don't go on the forums, players want everything in a game nowadays and if it isn't they start crying.

[AI BLUEFOX]

There is a genuine concern about the information that has been released. A lot of us would like to see more and know more by now, so you are not alone in that ghost-leader. However, if you look at this from Ubisoft's side they have been burned by the gaming community on a continuing basis whenever they have fallen short - and we know they have fallen short in the past - and they have been badly shaken and hurt by that. They are gamers and creative people themselves and they feel the criticism at a personal level. Whilst I agree that they are a lot at fault for creating the problem in the first place I do understand - which doesn't make me biased - why they are now reluctant to raise any aspirations until they are absolutely certain they can meet them.

[Dcopymope]

I think the moderation on here is pretty good, they may need to jump on toxic behaviour more in my opinion,

If I don't want to buy a game, or don't like it I don't go on the forums, players want everything in a game nowadays and if it isn't they start crying.

For me, its not even really about what I want in the game, its more about what I DON'T want in a game. For example, Making the wolverine health system dissapear into the depths of hades forever is the preference of lots of fans. The difference between me and others, is I won't cry like a little barbie doll like others likely will if it is in the game. I'll just move onto better things like I've been doing with Ubi-Soft for the last ten years and hope that some day, "tactically realistic", "authentic" video games make a big splash in a market that overwhelmingly caters to the Call of Duty, no-scoping emo kids.

[he1nz]

The most powerfull tool a customer of any product has is their wallet.. so if one is not happy with a product that clearly changed it's recipe some 10+ years ago, aaaah never mind.

I didn't think u would take it to these extremes to prove that I was right in my statement in the "vivendi thread" op.. wow

[UbiKeeba]

Here is the thing... I completely understand that some people who post here are frustrated due to past experiences. We are definitely working hard to bring the best Ghost Recon experience possible, and my hope is that once the game releases, some of your concerns will be eased.

That being said, there is ALWAYS a way to express your feedback, even if it is negative, in a way that is constructive and not toxic. If you want to explain why you feel something should (or should not) be a certain way, be sure to do so in a respectful way. Do not resort to personal attacks, insults, or other toxic comments, as it does nothing but hinder any point you are trying to make. Being courteous when sharing your opinion (even when it's negative) will do more to help everyone understand what you would like to see.

I am perfectly fine with people venting their frustrations or giving constructive criticism, but toxicity will not be tolerated.

[GiveMeTactical]

Why is it that if someone is sucking UBI's tit and drinking from the fountain, their posts are considered constructive but if someone speaks his mind, their posts are toxic? Toxic to whom? I respect that this forum belongs to UBI and there are certain rules but if you are only going to chastise those that speak w/o being politically correct and not be equal to those fountain drinkers then why have an open forum. Have you ever considered that not all of us want to smell the flowers or believe in the so called truth that gets pumped here? That we rather see it to believe it? Having faith is one thing but to take it at face value time and time again is just punishment.

Many a times people just post their opinion and if the next guys posts his, everything flows but it just so happens that it is usually one of the guardians of all that is mighty UBI that comes in to harass said person and nothing is done about it because that person has moderator status or again, drinks from that fountain... just saying.

[DanHibikiFanXM]

Well, often times people on here are not constructive if they are on the negative side of things. There should be more substance to an argument aside from "this is bad, I knew it would be this way." Identify what's wrong, but more important than that clearly highlight what you think would be an optimal solution to whatever it is that's bad. That's usually but not always the missing element in a lot of the more negative posts - usually citing past disappointments or expressing belief that it won't change anything. Whether or not it's true or not doesn't change the fact that you should offer solutions or ideas for solutions.

I'm as critical as they come but I always try to offer more than just pure criticism.

[GiveMeTactical]

Well, often times people on here are not constructive if they are on the negative side of things. There should be more substance to an argument aside from "this is bad, I knew it would be this way." Identify what's wrong, but more important than that clearly highlight what you think would be an optimal solution to whatever it is that's bad. That's usually but not always the missing element in a lot of the more negative posts - usually citing past disappointments or expressing belief that it won't change anything. Whether or not it's true or not doesn't change the fact that you should offer solutions or ideas for solutions.

Sometimes people just like to vent, other times they don't feel like posting a long winded bible just to see that nothing came of it on this game and the next one and the next one is looking like it won't happen, yet again... all in the name of Devs have the final vision. They already had their vision, even before they announce that a new game is in the works so why bother trying to bamboozle people into giving their opinion if little to nothing will be taken into consideration?

As stated previously and many a times I might add, had they come in and say "The game is an Action Adventure Shooter" w/o the TC or GR name, plenty of the toxic guys like me would not even bother to be here... just like I don't bother to be in the FC primal forum or R6 forums anymore. This way, all of the positive feedback given by constructive posts will be here w/o us toxic guys pestering the forums.

I'm as critical as they come but I always try to offer more than just pure criticism.

And I would love to be able to do that but I don't have the vocabulary or grammar and seeing as how nothing changes here, why bother anymore explaining (and I have done it multiple times just like many other also have). Now, if they start showing that they have truly change by really listening to the community (unless these forums are not considered part of said community) and communicate in a timely fashion, then the toxicity would dissipate and even go away but that's not happening any time soon either. In reality, at the end of the day

constructive or Toxic... the forum needs both, believe me, otherwise, who would the fountain drinkers complain about.