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    Originally Posted by jdkzombie Go to original post
    This isn't to say I don't think PvP needs a patch, or that the DZ doesn't need some new **** to do, but if the only map expansion this game is going to receive thus far will be DZ only, then I anticipate a lot of backlash.

    I mean, really, the LZ still sucks. There are no random encounters worth a crap. HVT's? Give me a break. Named bosses are only farmable every four hours. The same old missions, with the same old difficulty, with every single enemy in the SAME ******* LOCATIONS, I mean ffs, why cant they randomize enemy spawns in the missions? Incursions? Yeah right. Nobody really plays them anymore, if you try, you better have a group already, or good luck getting a match, but queue up for Lexington, and instantly find a full team.

    This whole game needs another do-over. So many useless weapon talents, so many worthless character talents. So many useless skills, like crowd control that elite and named enemies don't even react to half the time. But sure. Lets add in more map space for a part of the game where people only play to **** other people over. Thats sure to bring the players back to the DZ.
    Yet every other post are PVE players asking for separate PVP specific arenas.....now we might get one.....OMG WHY DOES PVP GET A EXPANSION TO THE MAP!!!!!

    Facepalm......

    IMO PVE players will never be satisfied....all you do is complain PVP players have been waiting this entire year for something and yet PVE players want to take that over too.
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    Originally Posted by Nopvedz4you Go to original post
    Gotta love how dramatic you pvers are, can't remember pvpers crying when ug/incursions were pve only or incursions.

    Yet to meet a PvP player that they don't play PvE at some point. So define you your statement. Your PvP players would be disguised as PvE players at they time of UG/Incursions. Wouldn't that be fun to have PvP during an Incursion, No one would survive. Great plan right there.
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    Originally Posted by S3anS3an Go to original post
    How about you stop being an entitled brat for 5 seconds and understand the Darkzone has never been adressed in this game.

    Meanwhilw in PVE land.....Underground, HVTs, Incursions, a separate Survival game mode, patch 1.4, Open World Bosses....Twice, and the ability to farm the same loot without threat of it getting taken away.

    Not everything has to be about you.
    What in the DZ needs to be addressed, find latest cookie cutter build, min/max it, go and gank less geared players, mock them and tell them to "get gud", get new update find new cookie cutter build and repeat.

    Now I believe the whole map needs expanded, for everyone. I do get tired of the poor me, improve the game just for me, cause I am special mentality that just about every player on here has.
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    Originally Posted by S3anS3an Go to original post
    How about you stop being an entitled brat for 5 seconds and understand the Darkzone has never been adressed in this game.

    Meanwhilw in PVE land.....Underground, HVTs, Incursions, a separate Survival game mode, patch 1.4, Open World Bosses....Twice, and the ability to farm the same loot without threat of it getting taken away.

    Not everything has to be about you.
    Originally Posted by Cons72 Go to original post
    I think there is plenty of PvE map, they just need to use it better.

    Why can't it be populated with activities like we did in the mission to lvl 30?

    Why can't we get escort VIP in the open world?

    Why can't we get secure item in the open world?

    Why can't we get deliver item to point X in the open world?
    Originally Posted by S3anS3an Go to original post
    Yet every other post are PVE players asking for separate PVP specific arenas.....now we might get one.....OMG WHY DOES PVP GET A EXPANSION TO THE MAP!!!!!

    Facepalm......

    IMO PVE players will never be satisfied....all you do is complain PVP players have been waiting this entire year for something and yet PVE players want to take that over too.
    Because this game isn't designed well enough to have more PVP content. What we have now is still an unbalanced, pointless mess. The gear sets are unbalanced, weapons are unbalanced, and there's really no point to the DZ. Kill or be killed, then repeat.
    I simply don't think they can improve it at this point, so they would be better if concentrating on PVE content.
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    Originally Posted by nuclearbroccoli Go to original post
    Because this game isn't designed well enough to have more PVP content. What we have now is still an unbalanced, pointless mess. The gear sets are unbalanced, weapons are unbalanced, and there's really no point to the DZ. Kill or be killed, then repeat.
    I simply don't think they can improve it at this point, so they would be better if concentrating on PVE content.
    Like I said PVE fanatics act like 5 year olds who think the world revolves around them.

    "I dont like this so Massive should ignore it....give me what I want....I will play it for a week....get bored of it.....then I will complain some more."

    Thats thats the PVE Division cycle. If you think PVP cant be saved why do PVE players constantly complain about it and want it changed. Sorry PVP is the only interesting left in this game at the moment. What do you do in PVE besidea run Lexington 100 times? You want the revolve around mindless farming?
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    Originally Posted by S3anS3an Go to original post
    Like I said PVE fanatics act like 5 year olds who think the world revolves around them.

    "I dont like this so Massive should ignore it....give me what I want....I will play it for a week....get bored of it.....then I will complain some more."

    Thats thats the PVE Division cycle. If you think PVP cant be saved why do PVE players constantly complain about it and want it changed. Sorry PVP is the only interesting left in this game at the moment. What do you do in PVE besidea run Lexington 100 times? You want the revolve around mindless farming?

    Isn't PvP nothing more then farming players? How interesting is it to run up and shoot others in the back when they are engaged in combat with AI?
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    Originally Posted by YodaMan 3D Go to original post
    Isn't PvP nothing more then farming players? How interesting is it to run up and shoot others in the back when they are engaged in combat with AI?
    So youre not allowed to shoot people in the back in other competitive multiplayer games? If an NPC shoots you in the back and kills you then its okay?

    Most PVP player dont even need your gear becuase its pretty much given to you outside the Darkzone.

    Honestly I can get 30 ish proficiency catches in 45 minutes with the Kill exp cheese. I dont need your gear (but if you do drop a lightweight M4 I will take it off your hands)....I go inside the Darkzone to actually get challenged by other players and to have fun. Sorry but Killing Larae Barrett hundreds of time isnt doing it me.
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    Well that sure was a fun discussion about the leaked info.

    Every thread in this forum is exactly the same. Does anyone know how to stay on topic? If you want to debate PVP vs. PVE, go to a thread with that as the topic instead of hijacking every thread.
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    Originally Posted by S3anS3an Go to original post
    IMO PVE players will never be satisfied....all you do is complain PVP players have been waiting this entire year for something and yet PVE players want to take that over too.
    We PVE players are just following the PVP lead on complaining. It was the PVP complainers about the initial rogue penalties that got them nerfed to barely worth noticing. We are just using your tactic.
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    Originally Posted by nuclearbroccoli Go to original post
    Incursions were really just part of the original game, released later to make it look like we were getting something extra. If it were a paid dlc, then you may have a point, but it wasn't.

    Survival is not purely PVE.

    Underground is lazy crap. A half dozen missions that take place in a dozen different rooms randomly stitched together. Hardly compares to opening up the main map further...

    I agree, have already begun to drift away. The PVP in this game is just lol and I PVP a lot in other games I play. You can't beat good player vs player combat......but the division with the circle jerking and rolly polly aint my thing and couple that with the whole gankfest the DZ is yeah not interested.

    Because they aren't interested in creating new PVE modes or story missions apparently. I guess it takes to much effort...


    As I said in another thread, almost all PVP players will play PVE, but only some of the PVE players (which tend to be the majority in games that offer both) will play the PVP content. Consequently, it makes sense if the majority of the new content leans towards PVE content, not PVP.
    Look, I'm not against adding PVP content, even though I'll never play it, because they have no idea how to make a properly balanced PVP game where the outcomes are determined by skill. I'm simply annoyed because I've been hoping for expansions that continue the storyline, expand the map into new areas, and bring new types of missions and environments. Instead, we get tunnels, a timed mode in the existing map, and a bigger PVP area? Not what I'm looking for in a game, and I think you'll find that I'm not alone in that if there's no substantial PVE content added in the next dlc. Just watch the player base dwindle further. I am positive of that.
    I agree, but can understand them needing to address PVP because in it's present state it is kind of a joke (is a cover based shooter but engagement at the moment is just rolling about like an acrobat and gear sets trump skill). The DZ is a sound idea but when you throw humans into the mix you get a wishwash of emotions, toxicity and general bad behavior.

    I really enjoy this game and hope it succeeds into this year and beyond but I'm afraid with (imo) 'most' of the playerbase being PVE focused and there not being any forseeable content other than the PVP patch I don't personally see myself hanging around. But hey each to their own.
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