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  1. #11
    OP, a solution is, if you go rogue, just keep fighting. Kill the rogues and the non-rogues. What's the big deal?
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  2. #12
    The DZ will never be fixed. The DZ is just what it means, DARK ZONE!!!!. Not a passive zone or a place for easy gear. Gankers will gank and people will complain. As it is now it definitely is not fun any more for some people and with out a 4 person squad you don't stand a chance. I personally love it because to me it is just that.......Dark Zone.....enter at your own risk......you may die 100 times lol, but getting that one kill is still sweet.
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  3. #13
    My comments and suggestion are for the dev. Obviously, some people would disagree and want DZ the same as it is now. But, I know for sure the dev feels DZ is not as popular as they want it to be. And if they want to improve it they have to listen to suggestions. At the end of the day, in most multiplayer online games, PvE will get stale very quickly and requires a lot of capital to keep fresh - it's PvP that provides more stable enticement over longer period. If they want this game to succeed in a long term they have to invest on a better PvP system - that is more structured than what DZ currently is.

    It is only a suggestion or request. Take it or leave it. For me, once my enjoyment of the game has ceased I will move on to another.
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  4. #14
    Trust me I understand your frustration. But the Devs don't listen to us nobody's with great ideas. If your not some big time you tuber our ideas are a waste. Plus this DZ discussion will always exist and for this is why I just except it for what it is.
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    Originally Posted by Thumpnmonkey Go to original post
    Trust me I understand your frustration. But the Devs don't listen to us nobody's with great ideas.
    Some do, some don't. The ones that I seen on youtube seem to be complete and utter idiots. Basically going "Let's all be an *** in DZ". But DZ isn't always like that and not everyone is an *** (even rouges are nice to me at times).

    Then you got people working behind the scenes. Devs on the forums here give feedback. When people complained about 1.3 bullet sponges they resolved it (perhaps a little too well in some ways).

    Some devs do listen. And take note of our comments. But others may as easily not. But if there's even a chance they'll listen then I'm willing to keep making suggestions. Want to act like it can't happen because you don't try? Your call, but then nothing good will ever happen if nothing is suggested.

    We have yet to see what happens with DZ. I'm sure the devs have been keeping an eye on the comments and threads despite being quiet on the matter. We'll see what happens. Meantime the best we can do is give out our input so far in the area for them to work with and adapt too.
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    Your request falls on def ears Op.

    Long ago the developers made a choice, that choice cost them thousands, if not millions of players. Doesnt seem to hurt them in their eyes though. By Massives own words they are douch bags and arseholes and want everyone to be like them. I have dealt with subcontractors like this and short of firing them, they lay excuse upon excuse stating the game cant be changed for whatever reason when in fact the only reason is pure spite and not changing a failed game mechanic.

    i suggested in beta that the DZ would fail, the devs laughed, it has failed, I suggested a rogue should be red entering the DZ as they are disavowed, they laughed, now they have nothing but ganking. I suggested that players that are dedicated agents should not go rogue at all and cannot kill other agents except rogues, everythign else could remain the same, the devs dismissed the idea.

    What is left is a toxic cesspool of niche players and developers nesting in their own filth badmouthing anyone that seeks to change their beloved DZ to something that would bring in more players.

    You see OP, it is Human nature in some people to want to be able to gank first because that is all they have. If the DZ were fully red for everyone once you entered you would have an actual PVP zone and gankers would lose their initiative. The devs and the gankers do not want that.

    And finally, since when do gank players dictate the game in the first place? they are a minority, they are the tiniest group of players but they have the full support of the devs, this makes it a bad thing for PVE players as the devs will always side with the gankers because the devs are gankers themselves and will not change the DZ until forced to do so by Ubisoft........which will happen.
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    Originally Posted by Art.Van.Delay Go to original post
    I know you're rank 30smth in the DZ and got 0 rogue kills, that's more than anyone needs to know.

    And there is still noone using SMGs in the DZ currently, except the 5 ppl still running D3FNC. "Ratatatata" is the sound of getting killed by an M4 or a LVOAC.

    And I said this before already, I don't call you a liar, I am claiming, that you just don't know what you're talking about.
    I know I got killed by rouges with SMGs, "dude". I also know for a fact plenty of people use them on roofs due to the more confined quarters when they're evacing and not camping up there (naturally rouges that camp roofs will rely on ranged weapons). Rouges and none rouges alike. Because I have eyes and don't need to kill people to know what weapons they're holding in their hands.

    Forgot to accept the ignore verification before but I sure as hell remembered to do it now. See ya.
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    Originally Posted by Art.Van.Delay Go to original post
    lol dude, it's obvious you don't play in the DZ, no one is using SMGs in there, absolutely no one.

    You should really refrain from commenting anything that happens in the DZ from your "observer" position, you just sound silly..
    Speak for yourself tool. Just because you are to scared to run around with anything other than what the toxic streamers are using does not mean we are all doing it. I can almost bet you are running with an Barretts chest and Alpha bridge. With your FAMAS and M4 or LVOC. Probably one of those that claps over the solo player your 4 man team just shot in the back.

    I would take your own advice and not comment as "you just sound silly"
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    Originally Posted by Bothain Go to original post
    Your request falls on def ears Op.

    Long ago the developers made a choice, that choice cost them thousands, if not millions of players. Doesnt seem to hurt them in their eyes though. By Massives own words they are douch bags and arseholes and want everyone to be like them. I have dealt with subcontractors like this and short of firing them, they lay excuse upon excuse stating the game cant be changed for whatever reason when in fact the only reason is pure spite and not changing a failed game mechanic.

    Massive did not say this, only one developer from Red Storm said it during the state of the game..

    i suggested in beta that the DZ would fail, the devs laughed, it has failed, I suggested a rogue should be red entering the DZ as they are disavowed, they laughed, now they have nothing but ganking. I suggested that players that are dedicated agents should not go rogue at all and cannot kill other agents except rogues, everythign else could remain the same, the devs dismissed the idea.

    The DZ has not failed I play every night with full servers..

    What is left is a toxic cesspool of niche players and developers nesting in their own filth badmouthing anyone that seeks to change their beloved DZ to something that would bring in more players.

    This is BS, the DZ is not full of Toxic niche players.. There are loads of PVE players still playing in there.

    You see OP, it is Human nature in some people to want to be able to gank first because that is all they have. If the DZ were fully red for everyone once you entered you would have an actual PVP zone and gankers would lose their initiative. The devs and the gankers do not want that.

    And finally, since when do gank players dictate the game in the first place? they are a minority, they are the tiniest group of players but they have the full support of the devs, this makes it a bad thing for PVE players as the devs will always side with the gankers because the devs are gankers themselves and will not change the DZ until forced to do so by Ubisoft........which will happen.

    This Is BS to, only one developer said this and they agreed that things need to change in the DZ. That is the reason for 1.6 update

    When was the last time you played in the DZ?
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  10. #20
    There are some agents who will deliberately run in front of fire to turn your team rogue, so his team mates nearby can then kill you for a lot more credits.
    Rogues know most agents don't not want to go rogue as their Banshee does not protect if you die as a rogue, which has some penalty attached to it, that is why they taunt and attempt you to go rogue with the first action, you are worth more as a rogue kill than just an agent kill.
    But clearly the rogue system is stuffed when an agent can throw a stun / electric grenade or launch their turret and it incapacitates you but it does not trigger them as rogue.
    The sooner they get a proper PVP system, separate from the current DZ, the better all factions will be.
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