That sounds like it's more of a hardware error, did you buy your camera new or used??Originally Posted by Wyked_Beth Go to original post
And also your room must have something to do with it. Most of the time I've been approached by other users who have this kind of issue, it's because of conditions of their house. If you could describe (or post a photo) of your room at every possible aspect, I'd be glad to help.
Wow, Warfutt, you were hitting amazing scores on my screen on the WDF tonight. Did you do that with the PS4 camera? Because if so, it would be encouraging and may help motivate me knowing that it's possible.
I've split my time between the PS4 camera and Xbox Kinect so far with JD 2019. I have much, much more experience with Xbox. My personal best scores are better on most of the extremes using PS4, which is encouraging and surprising. For most of the 52 dances, the difference between my PS4 and Xbox scores is a few hundred points or less, and it's almost a coin toss as to which platform will be better for me. However, I have more 13's with Xbox. The main problem is that there are a couple of dances where I consistently do 1000 points better with Xbox. In fact, both dances came up on my first classic tournament with PS4 (a nice welcome!); I could have done 2000 points better (39 instead of nearly 37 thousand), simply by switching platforms.
I feel like I'm much more consistent with Xbox. I almost never take an X (and when there is a rare stubborn move, I can always find the cause and correct it; not necessarily to perfect, but it's usually pretty reasonable to avoid X's), and almost never miss the gold moves (once I examine the move closely enough and figure out what I'm missing). My scores are pretty consistent with Xbox, too, unless I forget a dance or pull an uh-oh.
With the PS4 camera, I feel like on any dance at any time on any move, there is a chance that I could suddenly take an X, no matter how well I've done the dance in the past. There are a couple of so-called "easy" dances that are giving me trouble with the PS4 camera, giving me X's consistently (even though I hit perfects on the same moves on Xbox and perfects/supers on the same moves on Switch). Fortunately, I hit perfects on some moves on the PS4 that are causing me trouble on Xbox and Switch (but in the case of Xbox, my troublesome moves are often Good, not X's).
I've learned a lot about dancing to the PS4 camera in the past six months. There is one part of the body that seems to matter much more for Kinect than PS4, but another part of the body that seems to matter much more to PS4 than Kinect. (Not going to say which.) There are a few types of motion that the PS4 seems more sensitive too, and similarly with Kinect. I'm guessing that Kinect can detect certain things better than PS4, and that this is the reason for the difference in how the dances seem to be scored (I guess it's a fair compensation, in principle, though in practice Xbox seems so much easier to get to work well). I suppose there may also be the experience factor. Although I have a lot of experience with Kinect, I don't have much experience with PS4, and hopefully I will improve in time. It's not easy to switch between platforms (at least not for me).
The PS4 camera can be frustrating at times. When I miss a move, it's easy to want to blame the camera. But there are some moves that I used to miss, which I now hit perfects on, where I realized the PS4 camera was able to detect what seemed like a subtle detail, and I just hadn't realized that the technology was that good. But is that the reason I'm still missing certain moves, or does that camera have some limitations? If you were dancing with the PS4 camera tonight, I suppose that answers my question. I've come to trust Kinect so that when it gives me an OK or good, I "know" I messed up. I hope to reach that level of confidence with the PS4.
What bothers me most is that there are a few Gold Moves giving me trouble with the PS4 camera. I thought I had worked some of these out, but tonight it seemed like if I had ever missed a Gold Move in the past, I was destined to miss it tonight (and for whatever reason, those dances seemed to be coming to me on the WDF like a magnet). The WDF likes to feed me my troublesome dances, even on the Xbox, and I know it's good for me in the long run, though it can seem a little frustrating at times. But it's the challenge that makes Just Dance so compelling. And dancing is fun. A tough time with dance scores is way better than a good day at work.
With Kinect, when I'm struggling with the same move consistently, it usually turns out to be a mistake in technique more than timing. I wonder if that will also be true with the PS4 camera. Thanks again for your post. Every time I see it, your post gives me renewed hope. Happy dancing!
Heh, sorry for the long time but I saw your post since that night, I remember it well, but sorry, half my scores were Camera and Move. You see, I'm mastering the Move controller first and I'll save the Camera for later.Originally Posted by greekphysics Go to original post
Of course being consistent with Xbox is easier due to its better detection, the randomness factor of the PS Cam is the frustrating part of it, don't worry. But true, experience with one can give you just a bit of experience for the other, they have some similarities but they will never be close to working the same.
Detail (move/timing) or limitation, it really depends on the song but it's hard to tell. It may never work the same one thing for another song from what I've seen in my experience.
Good luck with these frustrations! hahaha.
Is the new camera better than the old one?I'm thinking about buying a new camera.
NO, They're the same.Originally Posted by guest-rSDjqcJS Go to original post
I haven't found any official sources confirming or saying otherwise but I've always heard there were no technical changes apart from the visual design since 2017.
According to this article, the specifications of both the old version and the new version are the same.
I visited this Reddit thread discussing personal comparisons about both, some say the old one is better but also others say that the new camera works better for others, in the end the only differences are contrast, color and detection, but they're not big changes.
As I've seen in my personal experience, all cameras work slightly different depending on the setup, room and probably just super small differences because of the usage or age of the tech parts, I guess haha
I bought the old one because I found it cheaper than the new one.
Hey Warfutt,
So I have been trying to make my ps camera work for a while without any success. I moved house and now I have a big empty room dedicated to just dance but still I can’t make it work perfectly, some very obvious movements still give me ok or X so even if my movement is perfect as the coach. I am getting frustrated because my scores won’t go more than 12400 to 12900. I don’t know if my camera is faulty, or maybe is because I am too short (4ft5) or maybe the lights in the room. I would like your help if possible I don’t know what else to try.
Thanks!
Before you begin the dance, study the body-outline image that you see on the screen where you are selecting one of the slots on the screen. You see a similar image much smaller at the top of the screen. It's easier to study it before the dance begins. Slowly move your arms, legs, walk around the entire space, studying the screen.
When it's working well, can you clearly see two arms, two legs, and the general shape of your body? An arm might cut off when it gets extended into another slot in the screen before the dance begins. If your arms are skinny, an arm might disappear while moving it around, showing your body, a gap, and then a hand all by itself. If this happens, see if wearing a shirt with sleeves aids with the detection.
Now look at the gap between your feet and legs as you spread your legs apart or bring them closer together. Can the game detect that your legs are closed? In general, tight fitting pants like compression tights help get the leg angles right (though occasionally a move is looking for that space to completely disappear when legs need to be closed together, such that a little bowleggedness might be an issue, but this is usually not a problem). The game needs to be able to tell that your legs are apart when they should be and that the leg angles are correct.
Shadows can really be a problem, even on the floor. In a large open space where you're not dancing near the wall, you probably don't have wall shadows. Make sure furniture isn't interfering with the detection. Overhead lights cause floor shadows, which can make it look like you have an extra leg, or can close up the space between the legs in the detection image. I got better results when I turned my overhead lights off and setup a light behind the t.v. and just enough above the t.v. so that the t.v. didn't block the light from reaching my feet even for dances that need me to dance closer to the t.v. for a few moves.
In addition to your body-outline image, look at the video of your face. Move around and try to see how your face, arms, and some of your clothing look. Can you see contrast? When your arms pass in front of your chest during a move, for example, the game somehow needs to detect this. I got better luck wearing bright colors against a dark background with two bright colors that didn't blend together on the video feed.
Then there are some tricky moves where even if the detection is excellent, sometimes the game is looking for something that is seemingly subtle that you don't even realize the game is capable of picking up, and occasionally it gives a big penalty like OK or X for something that seems kind of subtle once you finally figure out what it is looking for. There are a few difficult moves also where the game may be looking for synchronicity among different body parts. We're all trying to copy the coach perfectly and often think that we are, but if someone on the technical team studied are video, in some cases I bet they would silently think, "Yeah, I see what you're doing wrong." It's really difficult not knowing what the game is looking for. I spent countless hours studying video, practicing in front of a mirror, trying to figure out how to turn my little mistakes into Perfects.
Good luck and happy dancing.
Sadly after endless trails I lost hope to make the camera to work properly. Especially when it comes to children. Even if you are lucky and it does recognized the kid, once the dance starts, the game just 'lost' the kid. Have I but known, I wouldn't bought the game.
Hey guys so I’m still having a lot of problems with my ps4 camera. I’m going to list them here:
- On the JD2020 song “ The time (Dirty bit)” in a specific time of the song the camera decides I’m not there anymore, it always happens at the same time. I try to change the height of the camera, position, illumination of the room, clothes, position of my set up as I have a big empty room for this and still at that same time the camera decides I’m not there anymore,
- I have checked the outline that is display before the dance and the outline that appears when you’re playing the song and on my case they’re showing different things. While on the outline before the song starts the tracking is perfect (no holes outline smooth) and I can see my whole body, on the little square when I play the song the tracking is losing my arms sometimes or my head or legs are cut out. That doesn’t show at all at the beginning before I start the song,
- I tested out on the screen before the song starts, the camera detects my face but depending in how I move my hands the track starts to follow them as “my face”.
- I score way better if I don’t give a ****. I tried something out after my friend played with me. We tried a few songs from the JD2020 (Fancy Footwork, Soy yo and 7 Rings) and in all of this songs I have a score of 12.000’s. When my friend played this songs he just jumped the whole song and scored 12700’s. So I decided to just keep spinning and jumping the whole song and in all of them and my final score was 13.000.I was impressed If I just do whatever, the game scores me better than if I try to do my best to follow the dance.
I don’t know what is the problem. I want to score better but I don’t want to keep just doing whatever to do so. I notice that it doesn’t matter how many times I change the set up the result is the same or worst, it never improves. I don’t know if my camera is not good or it’s me or the set up.
I want to also add some notes here: on 2017 I played JD on my Xbox 360, that time I had same issues when I was playing the song individually my score wouldn’t be good but if I played on the world dance floor the score would be much higher (didn’t change any set up), also I managed to do a trick that if the Kinect tracked my curtain it would read me better (?) don’t ask me why it just worked way better on this way. After this I moved to Ireland and got the Xbox one S which you can’t connect the Kinect unless you have a very big adaptor, I got the adaptor and as you can’t buy I new Kinect here in Ireland I got a refurbished one. I faced many issues with the Kinect because it wouldn’t read my movements at all even the most obvious ones so I gave up. In 2019 I found out that you could play the JD on ps4 without needing the ps4 move controles (sorry I didn’t know for a long time) and I love it because I have to dance holding controllers so I went to my game store and got the JD 2017 and the JD 2020. I played the 2017 first and the 2020 after and worked so well I was so happy. On the next day the quality of the game play was worst so I decided to move my camera to fix it and end up dropping it a few times. In the end my result is what I have today.
I don’t know if the fact that I’m facing this issues is because the camera could be damaged in some way from the drops because I have seen other people play on YouTube and in the end they’re image that appear with the score is totally fine and my one is so pixelated that you can’t see my face at all.
Anyways that’s the whole story, hope anyone can help me to figure out what the problem is.
Yes yes the children, that's why it's one of the things I listed in the last section as possible problems but you're not alone, it happens to me a lot with my cousins and even Kinect has this problem sometimes with little bodies. Hey but don't lose hope, as I said in the introduction of the guide, this camera is just the worst controller out of many others, you have alternatives: The PlayStation Move is the best alternative to play and that way you don't have to be worried about giving your kid a phone to dance with.Originally Posted by somertal Go to original post
Wow, that's a looot of glitches... that may be a problem of your camera, in all honesty, I haven't seen any players having these problems at all (out of experiences I've heard from groups of the game).Originally Posted by DreFlux Go to original post
-Point 1: it wipes you completely off the detection? Okay, I know this problem and it's been over 3 years since the last time I had it in JD 2017, in certain part of Bang - Anitta it deleted my body off the little square and it only brought me back after I kept dancing extending my arms and legs in exaggerated ways, I kinda figured out that it happened because it didn't recognize my form anymore due to the pose I had to do at THAT part of the song (my legs and arms were put so close that the camera couldn't sort them anymore) soooo it might had been a problem of that song specifically. If it doesn't bring you back after that moment in your song, a friend told me about this risky trick that is covering the lens of your camera with your hand/arm for a second and go back to your dancing point to see if it just happened to "reset" your detection in a good way. (It's risky becase if it doesn't work, your camera ends up with the tracking all messed up and you'll have to fix it resetting the game). If it's not working, we don't really have a workaround for that as it is something mostly random and rare.
-Point 2: it's not just inspecting your outline/body before the song starts, try dancing the song in that screen - moving your body as you normally would in song to see if it loses your body and it gets cut too, that way you'll know it happens as something common, not just inside the song. If it doesn't, you must be doing something entirely different in-song because, again, I haven't known about any player with this problem too.
-Point 3: that's a detection glitch I've been through too, it would be a sign that it can see your body but it can't "sort" it correctly, as to know where your legs, arms and head is and that would end up meaning that it won't get a good score for you. Again, that used to happen to me but I never found out why that happened, some days it would get randomly fixed or not after changing my camera's height or angle, sorry.
-Point 4: HAHA that's a completely subjective thing of yours, it doesn't happen just by "magically not giving a dang about detection anymore", that trick of just jumping/moving your arms in just one way and repeat through the whole song is a common exploit that works even on Kinect, we all know the tracking is not perfect and it has its flaws, that's why these kind of tricks have existed for years.
No, playing in WDF is, again, subjective, it might be pure luck because in the past (in a latin american FB group called Just Dancers), people reported getting better scores if you disconnected your console from the internet, not the opposite thing :P and if 360 worked better for you than the most recent cameras, again that's just individual cases that could be luck based on how the cameras adapt to your room's setup.
All we know is that this camera is a real pain to use sometimes and we've all experienced these issues, but that's just the way Sony put together this weird piece of tech :^)