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  1. #1

    Multi grouping plebs in survival! just kick this loosers from the server!

    Just saying.. massive has to come up with something or this game mode will die like the DZ, at least for PVP.
    Last 3 games i started "solo" i got downed by multigroups... 2 or 3 players... eveyrtime. Im not even talking about, how poor and
    cheap as a player you are if you group up in solo queue, you are simply trash nothing more.

    however some kind of security mechanism has to be implemented to prevent this trash plebs from multi grouping.
    I even dont mind fightng against two players, the problem is when they are good geard and simply jump you, you have no chance.

    The worst part is, there is ike mostly more than one multigroup on a server, at least when im playing... Im just seeing all the time Player X revived by Player Y and so on...
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  2. #2
    There is literally the same thread 6 down from this one lol

    Doesn't even need to be a security feature

    simple solution concept- Don't allow "invite to group" feature in solo instanced survival PVP (PVE doesn't matter as much)

    I said "solution concept" because the idea is simple but I have no idea how hard that would be to implement programming wise. If its a simple couple lines of code or what ever they do for modifying the game then, ya it should be done yesterday, if its gonna take a ton of time and maybe break other stuff then I don't know. Personally it would have to be a potentially game breaking risk for me to not do it if I was in there position.

    The other side of this is that there is no real way to stop people from grouping up even if they are not technically in a group together (4 or more people in teamspeak or discord working together but not actually in a group)

    It would however make it much more difficult for them to coordinate because they wouldn't be able to see each other on the map and they could potentially accidentally hurt/kill each other. They wouldn't have a group nameplate stating "im a friendly" . Even just moving around, spraying bullets trying to kill some one else would be more risky.

    To my knowledge there isn't a rule per say saying people can't do this and the mechanics to do it are in the game, but why would they make a solo que and a group que if the intent wasn't to have solo vs solo and group vs group.(There is no button saying "SOLO" or "GROUP" when you start survival, the matchmaking looks to see if you are in a group or by yourself the moment you que and automatically puts you in the appropriate one)

    If grouping after the fact was intended they could have left the matchmaking alone and had every one, premade 4man groups and solo people spawn into the same instance.

    I could see maybe they would want people to be able to group "naturally", meaning you just happen upon some one while playing and decide to group, this isn't so much a problem as an actual 4 man premade group in Discord all queing at the same time.

    Iv done this in PVE survival because the group que time was taking longer than 10 minutes and my 3 clan mates and I ended up in the same instance 3 out of 3 times.

    Can a Moderator comment on this? Would love to know if I'm wrong and this is actually intended.
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  3. #3
    That's why I don't play PVP for survival. Imagine surviving for 1.5 hours and about to extract and you get shot by other players from behind, erm thanks but no thanks. Higher score in PVP but also much higher risk. Going PVP for survival, that's the risk you should be willing to take for 1.2 score instead of 1.
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  4. #4
    Pretty much one of the PVP designers likes the whole ganging* idea a lot. Not sure if he/she likes to gang or to be ganged
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  5. #5
    Originally Posted by Reaper-Two Go to original post
    Pretty much one of the PVP designers likes the whole ganging* idea a lot. Not sure if he/she likes to gang or to be ganged
    Yeah I remember the video, he even said he plays the nice guy by waving then shoots other players in the face.
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  6. #6
    Originally Posted by AOD_sinister Go to original post
    There is literally the same thread 6 down from this one lol

    Doesn't even need to be a security feature

    simple solution concept- Don't allow "invite to group" feature in solo instanced survival PVP (PVE doesn't matter as much)

    I said "solution concept" because the idea is simple but I have no idea how hard that would be to implement programming wise. If its a simple couple lines of code or what ever they do for modifying the game then, ya it should be done yesterday, if its gonna take a ton of time and maybe break other stuff then I don't know. Personally it would have to be a potentially game breaking risk for me to not do it if I was in there position.

    The other side of this is that there is no real way to stop people from grouping up even if they are not technically in a group together (4 or more people in teamspeak or discord working together but not actually in a group)

    It would however make it much more difficult for them to coordinate because they wouldn't be able to see each other on the map and they could potentially accidentally hurt/kill each other. They wouldn't have a group nameplate stating "im a friendly" . Even just moving around, spraying bullets trying to kill some one else would be more risky.

    To my knowledge there isn't a rule per say saying people can't do this and the mechanics to do it are in the game, but why would they make a solo que and a group que if the intent wasn't to have solo vs solo and group vs group.(There is no button saying "SOLO" or "GROUP" when you start survival, the matchmaking looks to see if you are in a group or by yourself the moment you que and automatically puts you in the appropriate one)

    If grouping after the fact was intended they could have left the matchmaking alone and had every one, premade 4man groups and solo people spawn into the same instance.

    I could see maybe they would want people to be able to group "naturally", meaning you just happen upon some one while playing and decide to group, this isn't so much a problem as an actual 4 man premade group in Discord all queing at the same time.

    Iv done this in PVE survival because the group que time was taking longer than 10 minutes and my 3 clan mates and I ended up in the same instance 3 out of 3 times.

    Can a Moderator comment on this? Would love to know if I'm wrong and this is actually intended.
    I have yet see any official confirmation that the ques are any different for solo or group players. I do both and don't see any variation of group sizes. They also wouldn't remove the invite feature since they encouraged it in their official trailer for Survival. I also from a personal opinion, believe there is no difference in the ques seeing that I have yet see a difference in que times and have never ran into anyone that would not shoot on sight (including myself).
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  7. #7
    I think you should think yourself lucky that there's even a option for solo only. Yh it's sad people are abusing the system but I'm sure it's not every session you join so no big deal, and if you hate it so much why not just try matchmaking?
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  8. #8
    It could be so simple, when queueing simply ask me if i accept longer waiting times for a real solo game or if im ok with having also groups on my server.
    It's anoying beeing ganged by this loosers, i managed a view times to kill 2 or even the whole group but thats not that the regular case, usually you get jumped by this plebs and you have no chnace at all.

    Grouping in a solo should be not possible, at all! we all know there a way to many players which basically abuse every little bug or bad gameplay implementation in the division. And mostly this are they same trash players like all the cheaters and hackers.

    They said on stream that solo players should usually be qued only with other solo players.... the prbolem here is the "usually".
    Basically im forced to speedrun survival to minimize the risk of beeing ganged by groups, this is just ********! I have alreday enough fun in DZ with all this trash players, do we need to have them in survival too ?!

    @Nopvedz4you, at the beginning it was not really a problem but its becoming more and more a problem, cause now all this trash cans realize ouh we can group nice. Last 6 games, there was always multiple multi groups on my server. Once a while ok but not 6 out of 6!

    Like 4 matches ago i saw two players grouping in the DZ... i was lucky to kill both of them even on half blue and green gear.... im not a disrespectfull person but clapping on them for a view seconds was just so nice! Some of this trash players cant even win when they multigroup!

    Most of the players queue at the same time on a solo queue and group up later to have the advantage.... Cancer gameplay like this should be not possible at all!
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  9. #9
    Originally Posted by N.O.M.A.D.S Go to original post
    It could be so simple, when queueing simply ask me if i accept longer waiting times for a real solo game or if im ok with having also groups on my server.
    It's anoying beeing ganged by this loosers, i managed a view times to kill 2 or even the whole group but thats not that the regular case, usually you get jumped by this plebs and you have no chnace at all.

    Grouping in a solo should be not possible, at all! we all know there a way to many players which basically abuse every little bug or bad gameplay implementation in the division. And mostly this are they same trash players like all the cheaters and hackers.

    They said on stream that solo players should usually be qued only with other solo players.... the prbolem here is the "usually".
    Basically im forced to speedrun survival to minimize the risk of beeing ganged by groups, this is just ********! I have alreday enough fun in DZ with all this trash players, do we need to have them in survival too ?!

    @Nopvedz4you, at the beginning it was not really a problem but its becoming more and more a problem, cause now all this trash cans realize ouh we can group nice. Last 6 games, there was always multiple multi groups on my server. Once a while ok but not 6 out of 6!
    Well people always find a way to exploit when possible, I imagine massive will look into a fix but who knows if it's possible for them to do it. Maybe try pve for now if it's really causing you to much of a headache, I know that ain't really a fix but may suit you better for now.
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  10. #10
    Yeah i also played a view times PVE but its not the same lol... I'm missing the thrill to run into other players
    I guess i or we all have to live with trash can players for now....
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